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The 2012 edition is also attributed to Rebel.
The 2012 edition is also attributed to Rebel.
<br><small>Some interner shops as well as Rebel Publisher Book Price list 2018.11 state Paperback with the same ISBN.--DhyanAntar 04:29, 27 March 2019 (UTC)</small>


And about transliteration: It seems to be quite a common thing that an <big>ै</big> form (the "ai" vowel inflection on whatever consonant) is getting transliterated as "e". It seems to happen only on verb endings (i could be wrong) but not always, and especially not for है, hai, the commonest verb, good old "is." And so it is here, with लागै -- indisputably on the cover and in virtually all the DN text representations around the net -- being rendered consistently among booksellers as Lage rather than Lagai, as it "should" be. I will continue to note this phenom but wonder if transliterating conventions are changing as we write. G**gle Translate uses the old way, and, going the other way, so does Lexilogos' virtual DN keyboard (eg type "lage" and you get लगे). -- [[User:Sarlo|Sarlo]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 10:27, 24 June 2014 (PDT)
And about transliteration: It seems to be quite a common thing that an <big>ै</big> form (the "ai" vowel inflection on whatever consonant) is getting transliterated as "e". It seems to happen only on verb endings (i could be wrong) but not always, and especially not for है, hai, the commonest verb, good old "is." And so it is here, with लागै -- indisputably on the cover and in virtually all the DN text representations around the net -- being rendered consistently among booksellers as Lage rather than Lagai, as it "should" be. I will continue to note this phenom but wonder if transliterating conventions are changing as we write. G**gle Translate uses the old way, and, going the other way, so does Lexilogos' virtual DN keyboard (eg type "lage" and you get लगे). -- [[User:Sarlo|Sarlo]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 10:27, 24 June 2014 (PDT)

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The 2012 edition is also attributed to Rebel.
Some interner shops as well as Rebel Publisher Book Price list 2018.11 state Paperback with the same ISBN.--DhyanAntar 04:29, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

And about transliteration: It seems to be quite a common thing that an form (the "ai" vowel inflection on whatever consonant) is getting transliterated as "e". It seems to happen only on verb endings (i could be wrong) but not always, and especially not for है, hai, the commonest verb, good old "is." And so it is here, with लागै -- indisputably on the cover and in virtually all the DN text representations around the net -- being rendered consistently among booksellers as Lage rather than Lagai, as it "should" be. I will continue to note this phenom but wonder if transliterating conventions are changing as we write. G**gle Translate uses the old way, and, going the other way, so does Lexilogos' virtual DN keyboard (eg type "lage" and you get लगे). -- Sarlo (talk) 10:27, 24 June 2014 (PDT)


विषय सूची (TOC):
1: जीवन की खोज
2: अविचार
3: स्वतंत्रता और आत्म-क्रांति
4: विचार
5: विचार: एक आत्मानुभूति
6: निर्विचार

We have some text to help us with the dates with Chit Chakmak. It's not precise by any means but fwiw nudges it earlier ... First, the language of Osho's introduction, his salutation, "मेरे प्रिय आत्मन्", makes it 1970 or earlier, since he stopped using this and similar greetings around his birthday in 1970.

And we have the publicity sent out by OIF to promote Chit Chakmak's translation, The Independent Mind, which refers to camps:

In his early days of teaching Osho ran meditation camps in which he introduced people into meditation, and his morning and evening talks created the framework of understanding for this work. The Independent Mind is a fascinating record of one of these camps – in a short period of three days Osho introduces his participants to an understanding that our minds are running on malware programs – and he introduces meditation as an antivirus to clean our minds of the conditionings and indoctrinations that are preventing us from realizing our full potential and to be happy.

Again, in Osho's words, "In the coming three days, I will tell you a little bit about life's search", and "In these three days, I will talk to you on three things in the morning and answer your questions on the evening". The source for "Mumbai" seems to be the front flap of the translation. -- doofus-9 16:09, 3 September 2017 (UTC)


About 7th talk Shailendra says:

"In the end of Chit Chakmak Lage Nahin #6 Osho says- इस संबंध में जो कुछ पूछने को हो, वह मैं संध्या आपसे बात करूंगा। (If you have anything to ask regarding this subject, I will talk about it in the evening).
This proves there must be one more chapter after this to complete the series. There are mostly 7 talks from 3 days camp. First one--welcome and introduction in night, then twice daily for next 3 days."--DhyanAntar 15:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Interesting! Jagdish has sent info regarding dates and places for Chit Chakmak, but he only mentions six talks. Curiously, there appear to be some crossed wires re AM and PM for the first five talks, making the order apparently 1-3-2-5-4-6, but likely those are little errors, almost like typos. As well, we have a another indication regarding the AM/PM thingie: the two talks noted as Q&A are #3 and #5, which would fit Osho's description, "In these three days, I will talk to you on three things in the morning and answer your questions on the evening". And further supports the idea that there is a missing #7, also with Q&A.

And Mumbai is it! We do have to wonder about Jeevan Ki Khoj, since there is no indication anywhere else that these two series have anything to do with each other. Oh well! It can stay as a FWIW. -- doofus-9 09:23, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

1. AM 19/11/1967 -- Jeevan Ki Khoj -- Malad, Mumbai
2. PM 20/11/1967 -- Jeevan Ki Khoj -- Malad, Mumbai
3. AM 20/11/1967 -- Jeevan Ki Khoj -- Q&A Malad, Mumbai
4. PM 21/11/1967 -- Jeevan Ki Khoj -- Malad, Mumbai
5. AM 21/11/1967 -- Jeevan Ki Khoj -- Q&A Malad, Mumbai
6. AM 22/11/1967 -- Jeevan Ki Khoj -- Malad, Mumbai