Talk:Hindi Subtitles – A Story

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Four areas of background material deemed too much for the article page will be noted here:

The March 1989 "recent publications" list

This list (image right, click to enlarge) was found in several books published in that month: Bahutere Hain Ghat (बहुतेरे हैं घाट), Chal Hansa Us Des (चल हंसा उस देस), Mahavir Ya Mahavinash (महावीर या महाविनाश) and Hari Om Tatsat (हरी ॐ तत्सत्). The wiki's interpretation of "recent" has been somewhat arbitrarliy put at one year, ie Mar '88 to Mar '89. That may be expanded or shrunk as more informed information becomes available. This estimate has been combined with other factoids in some cases to yield a narrower range; for example Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi (मैं कहता आंखन देखी) is known to have been published some time in 1988, so its range has been rendered as Mar 1988 to Dec 1988.

श्री रजनीश के प्रवचनों के नवीनतम प्रकाशन (Latest publications of Shree Rajneesh's discourses)

note the name change: "Bhagwan" is gone, but "Osho" not yet adopted

and note: books marked with ** are also in Shailendra's list of books with subtitles

विशेष राज संस्करण (special deluxe editions) पद घुंघरू बांध (Pad Ghunghru Bandh, apparently the Meera twofer, not the letters book of the same name) ** कहै कबीर दीवाना (Kahai Kabir Diwana) ** कहै कबीर मैं पूरा पाया (Kahai Kabir Main Pura Paya) ** सुनो भई साधो (Suno Bhai Sadho) ** भक्ति सूत्र (Bhakti Sutra) ** महावीर- वाणी भागः 1 (Mahavir Vani Bhag 1) ** महावीर- वाणी भागः 2 (Mahavir Vani Bhag 2) ** भजगोविंदम् मूढ़मते (Bhajgovindam Mudhmate) ** संभोग से समाधि की ओर Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or) ** स्वर्ण पाखी था जो कभी और अब है भिखारी जगत का (Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka) न कानों सुना न आंखों देखा (Na Kanon Suna Na Aankhon Dekha) ** जिन खोजा तिन पाइयां (Jin Khoja Tin Paiyan) ** शिव सूत्र (Shiv Sutra) ** देख कबीरा रोया (Dekh Kabira Roya) ** सर्वसार उपनिषद (Sarvasar Upanishad) ** मैं कहता आंखन देखी (Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi) ** बिन घन परत फुहार (Bin Ghan Parat Phuhar) ** कैवल्य उपनिषद (Kaivalya Upanishad) ** नेति-नेति (Neti-Neti) **

पुस्तिकाएं (booklets) रसौ वै सः (Raso Vai Sah) झुक आई बदरिया सावन की (Jhuk Aayee Badariya Sawan Ki) ** मगन भया रसि लागा (Magan Bhaya Rasi Laga) ** घूंघट के पट खोल (Ghoonghat Ke Pat Khol) ** सच्चिदानंद (Sachchidanand) महावीर वाणी (Mahavir Vani) ** पंडित-पुरोहित और राजनेता (Pandit-Purohit Aur Rajneta) एक-एक कदम (Ek Ek Kadam) ** ऊं मणे पद्मे हुम् (Om Mani Padme Hum) चेति सकै तो चेति (Cheti Sake To Cheti) ** ऊं शांतिः शांतिः शांतिः (Om Shantih Shantih Shantih) एक महान चुनौती (Ek Mahaan Chunauti)

The high preponderance of subtitled books in this group might indicate a number of things. We will explore that a bit here. In the "special deluxe edition" subset, all have the ** indicating subtitles. A small liberty was taken in this statement by including one special oddball, listed in the "recent pubs" list above as Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka but in Shailendra's subtitled books list in the article page as Bharat Ke Jalte Prashan (भारत के जलते प्रश्न). In fact, they are one and the same book and edition. The wiki as of this writing has it as Swarn Pakhi, not Jalte Prashan, but that is partly the momentum of past nomenclature, compounded by Hindi Publications' own unclarity about the title. If one looks at the cover image, the whole nine yards are there: "Bharat Ke Jalte Prashan" on top, "Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi" below it, and "Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka" at 90º on the side, all in the most unreadable gold-letters-on-black-background ever created in the history of Osho's books.

Aside from this one anomaly, there are "booklets": six of them have subtitles and six do not. And there is a pattern. Of the six that don't have subtitles, all are translations. The other six are not translations. The translations are by definition not offering Osho's words as he spoke them and they are not re-issues of earlier Hindi discourses (or significant fragments). As we understand the subtitle process, they were given for books that were being brought back after being out of print.

So, whatever the rationale for subtitles / no subtitles, this is the pattern observed. -- doofus-9 07:20, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

March 1989 "upcoming publications"

Three of these same books mentioned above published in Mar 1989 (excluding Hari Om Tatsat) also featured short lists of upcoming publications. For the sake of this discussion, this has been interpreted / estimated to mean approx Mar - Apr of 1989. Three of them were indeed published in Mar, so "soon" likely did mean fairly soon. Only Chal Hansa's list is reproduced here, as it includes the other three, Bahutere, Mahavinash and Hari Om. (FWIW, Bahutere includes Mahavinash and Hari Om, while Mahavinash has only Hari Om and the other five left after it drops out, so there you have the exact order in which they were published, if it matters.)

Books marked with ** in this small collection are among those with subtitles, in fact seven of the eight are in that lot, with only Hari Om not among them. Hari Om is again a translation, so it fits the pattern observed above for the recent pubs of Mar 1989. Underlined titles (four out of the eight) are among Shailendra's special ten pointing to Osho's message. Note that none of those were in the "recent pubs" list, ie all were printed Mar 1989 or later.

(from Chal Hansa Us Des**:) आगामी प्रकाशन (upcoming pubs) कृष्ण-स्मृति (कृष्ण: मेरी दृष्टि में) (Krishna Smriti (Krishna: Meri Drishti Mein))** शिक्षा में क्रांति (Shiksha Mein Kranti)** सहज समाधी भली (Sahaj Samadhi Bhali)** समाधि के सप्त द्वार (Samadhi Ke Sapt Dwar)** हरी ॐ तत्सत् (Hari Om Tatsat) ध्यान-सूत्र (Dhyan Sutra)** बहुतेरे हैं घाट (Bahutere Hain Ghat)** महावीर या महाविनाश (Mahavir Ya Mahavinash)**

And note that the extra-long title of Krishna Smriti includes an alternate title, not a subtitle, but that alternate title was included in the published list.

"Urgency" survey, usage after Sep 1988

And how this dense usage compares to the rest of his talks.

And Now, And Here

More on and from the fascinating discourse wherein Osho describes what happened to him when he first fell out of the tree while meditating.