Live Zen ~ 05

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event type discourse & meditation
date & time 26 Apr 1988 pm
location Gautam the Buddha Auditorium, Pune
language English
audio Available, duration 1h 33min. Quality: good.
Osho leading meditation from 1:25:47.
Live music after the discourse.
online audio
video Available, duration 1h 40min. Quality: good, but a constant audio-noise.
online video
see also
online text find the PDF of this discourse
shorttitle LIVEZ05
notes
synopsis
Reader of the sutras and questions: Ma Prem Maneesha.
After discourse Osho leads Let-Go Meditation.
The sutra 1
Obaku addressed the assembly and said, "You are all partakers of brewer's grain. If you go on studying Zen like that, you will never finish it. Do you know that in all the land of T'ang there is no Zen teacher?"
Then a monk came forward and said, "But surely there are those who teach disciples and preside over the assemblies. What about that?"
Obaku said, "I do not say that there is no Zen, but that there is no Zen teacher."
Setcho says:
Commanding his way of teaching;
But he made it no point of merit.
Seated majestically over the whole land,
He distinguished the dragon from the snake.
Emperor Taichu once encountered him
And thrice fell into his clutches.
Question 1
Osho, Obaku says there is no Zen teacher. It seems to me therefore that there can be no disciples. So who are you and who are we?
Quetion 2
Obaku seems to be saying that one cannot know Zen by experiencing one particle of brewer's grain. But I have heard you say, "Taste one drop of the ocean, and you know the whole ocean."
Can you please comment?


The sutra 2
The great master Basho was seriously ill. The chief priest of the temple came to pay his respects.
He asked, "How do you feel these days?"
The master said, "Sun-faced buddha, moon-faced buddha."
Setcho says:
Sun-faced buddha! Moon-faced buddha!
Compared with them,
How pale the three sovereigns, the five ancestral emperors!
For twenty years I have had fierce struggles,
Descending into the dragon's cave for you.
The hardship defies description.
You clear-eyed monks, don't make light of it.
Question 3
Osho, you rarely speak on any hardships you may experience for us, and I know that some of us tend to think you are beyond pain or discomfort because you have the capacity to witness everything. Some have expressed the idea that your illnesses are just devices for us.
Could you please comment?
Question 4
I have heard you say, "This very body, the Buddha," and I have also heard you remind us that we are not the body.
Would you talk about these seemingly opposing statements?


(source:CD-ROM)


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