Live Zen ~ 15

event type	discourse & meditation
date & time	6 May 1988 pm
location	Gautam the Buddha Auditorium, Pune
language	English
audio	Available, duration 1h 25min. Quality: good. Osho leading meditation from 1:18:34. Live music after the discourse.
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video	Available, duration 1h 29min. Quality: good.
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see also	timeline : Osho Timeline 1988 first edition : Live Zen (1988.11) other editions, translations and links
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shorttitle	LIVEZ15

notes

synopsis: Reader of the sutras and questions: Ma Prem Maneesha.
After discourse Osho leads Let-Go Meditation.

The sutra

Chokei one day said, "Even if you say that the arhats still have three poisons, you should not say that the tathagata has two languages. I do not say that the tathagata has no language but that he does not have two languages."

Hofuku said, "What is the tathagata's language?"

Chokei said, "How can a deaf person hear it?"

Hofuku said, "I know you are speaking from a secondary principle."

Chokei said, "What is the tathagata's language?"

Hofuku said, "Have a cup of tea."

Setcho's commentary is:

Who speaks from the first, who from the second principle?

Dragons do not lie in puddles;

Where dragons lurk, waves arise

When no wind blows.

Oh! You, Chokei Zen monk

You've bruised your head on the dragon gate.

Question 1

Osho, with three pounds of drums, she pecks on the lotus leaf. Knowing a spiral when she hears one, she'll be beaten anyway.

Quetion 2

Osho, my mind is coming to the boil! It is compelled to try and decipher these stories, even though that feels like reading the epitaph on one's own gravestone.

So I get my mind out, use it, give up, and put it away.

Then I get it out again, give up and put it away.

Then it gets out, uses me, gives up and puts me away.

I'm going insane or going in Zen! Help!

No, don't -- keep doing it!

Or don't stop not doing what you don't do!

Osho, I take my head off to you.

(source:CD-ROM)