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There is one frank conflict: the event in Anand Dec 1-2 cannot be made to fit with the ''[[Geeta-Darshan, Adhyaya 1-2 (गीता-दर्शन, अध्याय १-२)|Geeta Darshan]]'' series happening at that time. And the other events are simply not found. Most likely most or all of them were cancelled in the wake of the Hindu chauvinist agitation on Aug 23 in Ludhiana, documented at [[Naye Samaj Ki Khoj ~ 10]]. Why they remain in this itinerary can be added to our list of mysteries, which will have to include events still being promoted in later itineraries, even in Ludhiana! -- doofus-9 19:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
There is one frank conflict: the event in Anand Dec 1-2 cannot be made to fit with the ''[[Geeta-Darshan, Adhyaya 1-2 (गीता-दर्शन, अध्याय १-२)|Geeta Darshan]]'' series happening at that time. And the other events are simply not found. Most likely most or all of them were cancelled in the wake of the Hindu chauvinist agitation on Aug 23 in Ludhiana, documented at [[Naye Samaj Ki Khoj ~ 10]]. Why they remain in this itinerary can be added to our list of mysteries, which will have to include events still being promoted in later itineraries, even in Ludhiana! -- doofus-9 19:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
===The Jun-Sep 1971 Notice===
Two series are announced in this Notice, which has some of the same format of the previous itineraries but does not announce all events or series, just two "special" ones, "special" here referring to a new structure for participation proposed for these series. The "study circle" for what will be the Tao Upanishad series -- though it is not yet named -- will be limited to 100 "members", who will have paid Rs 500, a hefty amount in those days, to attend these study circles for six months. The talks will feature some Q&A but it is unstated how many or how often these talks will happen. In the event, there are 22 talks for ''[[Tao Upanishad, Bhag 1 (ताओ उपनिषद, भाग एक)]]'' before the six months is up. Also in the event, the actual dates are slightly different, Jun 19-26, in Palm Beach High School. 
The other series featured in this Notice is explicitly named, ''Mahaveer Vani'', with the "membership" fee for that Rs 100, for the one-time eighteen days in Patkar Hall. -- doofus-9 02:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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The Dec 25 1968 - Jan 22 1969 Itinerary

A number of small disagreements or mis-alignments arise in the interaction between the Dec 25 1968 - Jan 22 1969 itinerary and those with which it overlaps. They will be addressed below, after we consider the "CANCELLED" stamps that have been applied to three of the previously scheduled events. They are not the only events that got cancelled and shifted around in those loosely organized days, but they are the first we have seen cancelled in such an "official" way.

How "official" and how widely distributed were these cancellation stamps?

It is unlikely that every copy of this issue got these stamps, because the stamping was plainly not part of the one-colour printing process. The magazines got printed, and then at some point stamps were applied to some copies. For them to have got applied to all copies would have meant they were stamped immediately after printing and before being sent to subscribers, which sending would have been by definition as soon as possible after the mag came from the printers. There were two organizers involved in these three events, so each of them would have had to notify mag staff in a very short space of time, so most likely copies did go out to subscribers, with the stamps applied only to the remainder, which would be sold in centers and in camps and so on. Perhaps there are copies with one or two of the events cancelled but not all three.

One other strangeness: The Bangalore (Bengaluru) event was cancelled in the itinerary covering Dec 25 1968 to Jan 22 1969. In the other itinerary, covering Jan 5 to Apr 15 1969, it is not cancelled. One may wonder how an earlier schedule can cancel something that remains intact in a later schedule.

About the other items of potential interest in this itinerary:
Of the two organizers of the Nagpur event, only Baba Uttaravarji is named in both itineraries, with JJK also only appearing in one.
Premchand Maheshvari, the organizer of the two cancelled events in Mumbai, has not been heard of in other contexts. There may be a story there.
The Bengaluru organizer is rendered as CJ Dauliya in one doc and as CJ Toliya the other. Dauliya seems more likely but will leave Toliya for now.
"Seoni" IS a town in Madhya Pradesh, complete with a Polytechnic College, and this is how it is widely known in the Anglo world, but the Devanagari version, सिवनी, more "properly" transliterates as Siwani.

The Oct 22 - Dec 22 1970 Itinerary

Some itineraries did not include the year in the dates for posted events. Most were easy to establish by comparison with existing wiki Timelines, but this one eluded certainty until it got matched with the issue cover. The reason for the uncertainty was that no events could be found that completely aligned with known events in the 1970 Timeline. In fact, the only event with even a hopeful alignment was still partial: the eight talks for Suli Upar Sej Piya Ki (सूली ऊपर सेज पिया की) from Nov 10-17 are in this itinerary as Nov 9-14.

There is one frank conflict: the event in Anand Dec 1-2 cannot be made to fit with the Geeta Darshan series happening at that time. And the other events are simply not found. Most likely most or all of them were cancelled in the wake of the Hindu chauvinist agitation on Aug 23 in Ludhiana, documented at Naye Samaj Ki Khoj ~ 10. Why they remain in this itinerary can be added to our list of mysteries, which will have to include events still being promoted in later itineraries, even in Ludhiana! -- doofus-9 19:03, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

The Jun-Sep 1971 Notice

Two series are announced in this Notice, which has some of the same format of the previous itineraries but does not announce all events or series, just two "special" ones, "special" here referring to a new structure for participation proposed for these series. The "study circle" for what will be the Tao Upanishad series -- though it is not yet named -- will be limited to 100 "members", who will have paid Rs 500, a hefty amount in those days, to attend these study circles for six months. The talks will feature some Q&A but it is unstated how many or how often these talks will happen. In the event, there are 22 talks for Tao Upanishad, Bhag 1 (ताओ उपनिषद, भाग एक) before the six months is up. Also in the event, the actual dates are slightly different, Jun 19-26, in Palm Beach High School.

The other series featured in this Notice is explicitly named, Mahaveer Vani, with the "membership" fee for that Rs 100, for the one-time eighteen days in Patkar Hall. -- doofus-9 02:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)