Talk:Osho Timeline 1979
There may be some unclarity concerning the exact location of Hindi discourses for this period (Buddha Hall vs Chuang Tzu Auditorium). For now, location for the high season and celebrations will be entered as Buddha Hall, and for the rest of the year Chuang Tzu.
As of this writing, no reliable source has been found for this information. Anecdotal sources and memory suggest different things, and the announcements (of dates and venues) at the beginnings of discourse tapes have been expunged by Pune authorities, citing (as they do) Osho's guidance.
The CD-ROM does state venues but only for English original talks and those Hindi talks that had been translated as of 1993 or so, only about thirty and most of them preceding Pune One. As of the CD-ROM's creation, there were no Hindi discourses from 1979 that had been translated, so no record there. And furthermore, at the beginning of the Pune One period, neither Buddha Hall nor Chuang Tzu had been built, but the CD-ROM has the very first discourses in both English and Hindi in Buddha Hall, so we may have reliability issues there as well.
A more in-depth exploration of this theme can be found at the page on these venues.
About the gaps mentioned in the timeline and linked to this talk page, all are noteworthy in their particular ways:
1. Jun 11-13 no darshans: This kind of gap happened from time to time and would not be noteworthy except for the accompanying gap of ten days in the discourse schedule. Usually one such gap would be very similar to the other but the difference of seven days is a real puzzler. Either a whole English discourse series has been lost -- very unlikely -- or possibly Osho had some kind of design for the discourse series that was to come next, the very first talks in The Dhammapada mega-series, and this was his way of adapting to the few days of interruption. ¿Quien sabe?
2. Jul 11 no darshan: It was absolutely normal for a darshan to be missed in July on the night/day of the full moon to make way for a Guru Purnima celebration, and that must have happened this year too. The mysterious thing here is that full moon in 1979 was on Jul 9 (UT, early am Jul 10 Indian Time). The celebration would not likely have been put on another day, so possibly one of the dates is wrong for the darshans, and either Jul 9 or 10 was actually the one skipped.
3. The Nov 15 - Dec 4 gap in Ram Duware and Nov 17 - Dec 4 in Scriptures: This was a major chicken-pox quarantine event, with a few odd details. The CD-ROM has, in its rendering of Scriptures:
- Nov 14: "[There is no transcript for Nov 14; probably there was no darshan that evening]" (and that's all there is for ch 14)
- Nov 15 and 16: Text for a lone initiation talk given on each of these nights.
- nothing for Nov 17, and
- Dec 5: "[From Nov 18 to Dec 4, Osho did not give darshan. A few sannyasins had contracted chicken pox and to avoid any infection being passed to Osho, he did not give darshan again until Dec 5.]"
The entries for Nov 14-16 are fairly odd given the complete disappearance of twenty days for Hindi discourses, but at least they point the way to a decent guess for which days are missing from Ram Duware. It is not 100% certain but looks good enough to go with for now.
4. Dec 11 no darshan: As with Jul 11 above, absolutely normal for a darshan to be skipped Dec 11, for Osho's birthday celebration, but the CD-ROM has a darshan for the 11th and none for the 12th. This is likely wrong, so it has been altered here.
About Kahe Hot Adheer: This Hindi series spanned twenty days but actually consisted of only nineteen discourses. They have been entered as twenty so that their "space" is approximately represented, but the day off is not precisely known, so one of them did not really happen and all that followed will have a chapter number one less. Can be fixed if and when the day off date comes to be known.
About the Darshan Diary entries Sep 30 and Oct 1: These two books, Upset and Gawd, mark a shift to a new era (dispensation / paradigm) in Darshan Diary publishing. Upset was eventually published, as a cheapo ranch edition, Gawd and all but one which followed were never published. -- doofus-9 (talk) 04:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Jul 11 no darshan: music albume (1979-07-10 Guru Purnima Darshan ~ Meditation Music) mentioned Jul 25. I think this date more suitable, as Guru Purnima celebration in 1980 was Jul 27, here is the album from darshan 1980-07-27 Guru Purnima Darshan. --DhyanAntar 10:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Full moon 1979: "Monday, 9 July 1979, 08:59:18 pm" CET, that would be July 10 in Pune. So maybe here also (just as 1978) the date/name of the Darshan in OMA has been based on an assumption and is incorrect.
Still, useful to check if we can find a verification for the date of Guru Purnima. --Sugit (talk) 13:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Guru Purnima is always on the full moon in July. See Talk:Osho Discourses 1978 for more on that. -- doofus-9 02:46, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
G.P. has nothing to do with July or the Hindu Ashadha but with the simple rule : This day marks the first peak of the lunar cycle after the peak of the solar cycle. --Rudra (talk) 12:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
OK good we found out. The Rainbow Bridge has all dates from July 1-30, except Tuesday 10. I will change the names of the celebrations involved. --Sugit (talk) 17:08, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Likely Ashadha is the most correct conceptual version of when GP is but it may not be so easy to apply. More at Talk:Osho Discourses 1978. -- doofus-9 02:33, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
the Indian calculator places it on the 9th of July 1979 , see [1] --Rudra (talk) 06:03, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Re. Rudra's post above: I propose we stick to July 10, as long as we do not have better info. See my post of 18 December 2017-17:08. --Sugit (talk) 12:38, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Agree July 10 looks best. The "Indian calculator" in the linked page placing it on the 9th makes it the 9th for Ottawa, Canada, for some reason, ~ twelve time zones away. By that time it's the 10th in India. -- doofus-9 21:14, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
