Talk:Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर)

On the title page opposite the pub info (image right, click to enlarge), there is a mysterious description of the book -- भगवान् श्री द्वारा कपिल-कुसुम को लिखे गये २७ पत्रों का संकलन -- which indicates that there are only 27 letters, not 68. Will inquire. -- doofus-9 17:05, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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Shailendra throws some light:

"Prem Ke Swar - was originally a small booklet of 27 letters only, written to Kapil & Kusum. Now the plan is to add all the unpublished letters in upcoming edition. First 27 letters are written to Kapil and Kusum, Rest (28-68) are written to Ma Yoga Sohan, Ma Prem Urmila, Shree Deriya Ji and other seekers."--DhyanAntar 17:37, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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Ma Prem Urmila, shouldn't that be Ma Anand Urmila? --Sugit (talk) 11:33, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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Ha! That didn't take long. In fact, this makes the mysterious middle part, "to Kapil-Kusum", clearer too. Dhanyavaad! (Possibly he meant Ma Anand Urmila?) -- doofus-9 18:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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Now the TOC has showed up-- doofus-9 08:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC):

अंतर्वस्तु (TOC)

1. हृदय में परमात्मा की गहरी प्यास

2. प्रेम असम्भव को भी सम्भव बना देता है

3. तुम दोनों को मेरा बहुत-सारा काम करना है

4. गीत की कड़ियाँ सुनाई पड़ती हैं

5. उसके प्रेम का सागर अनन्त है

6. मौन की भी अपनी भाषा है

7. बेशर्त प्रेम ही तो उसे पाने की शर्त है

8. मैं ठहरा अग्रही--इसलिए याद कर रहा हूँ

9. शब्द से मुक्ति ही सत्य है

10. तैरना नहीं है, बस बहना है

11. तू प्यास ही बनती जा रही है

12. प्रतीक्षा ही करता रहा

13. उसकी करुणा की वर्षा तो होगी ही

14. इधर मैं मिटा, उधर वह हुआ

15. जिन खोजा तिन पाइयां

16. पदार्थ में परमात्मा मिलता है

17. आकार ही निराकार हो जाता है

18. खाली हो, रिक्त हो, शून्य बन

19. प्रभु की यात्रा सीढ़ियों की नहीं है

20. ध्यान जारी रखना

21. संसार है निर्वाण

22. शब्द सत्यों के धोखे बन जाते हैं

23. तेरा सारा अस्तित्व ही सागर में है

24. वही है, वही है-सब ओर वही है

25. स्वनिर्मित कारागृह में कैद आदमी

26. संकल्प से हिमालय भी झुक जाता है

27. जीवन नृत्य है

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Facsimiles of the manuscripts have surfaced, see correspondence 20-10-2018 6:48UTC "Letter to Kapil & Kusum (31)". --Sugit (talk) 09:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

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Why is that not first edition?--DhyanAntar 09:22, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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It seems letter 18 (in above correspondence under titles "Letter to Kapil & Kusum (20)A" and B) is incomplete in the book: missing P.S. on second sheet (back).

The same case with letter 10 (i can't say what titles of these two images in correspondence as i renamed them already): P.S. on back sheet is not found in the book, i.e. unpublished.

Dates from manuscripts:

1) 25.04.1969

2) 02.07.1969

3) 07.08.1969

4) 07.08.1969

5) 24.08.1969

6) 30.08.1969

7) (unidentified what letter is)

8) 23.10.1969

9) 03.11.1969

10) 19.11.1969

11) (no date in manuscript; Shailendra PDF - 29.11.1969)

12) 02.12.1969

13) 16.02.1970

14) 08.04.1970

15) 25.04.1970

16) 01.05.1970

17) 13.05.1970

18) 17.05.1970

19) 10.06.1970

20) 29.06.1970*

21) 17.11.1970

22) 26.11.1970

23) 16.01.1971

24) 25.02.1971

25) 07.03.1971

26) 08.03.1971

27) 13.03.1971

* Date of Letter 20: manuscript - 29.06.1970 (under title "Letter to Kapil & Kusum (22)"), Shailendra's PDF - 26.06.1970. Perhaps second source has the typo.

All above dates confirms by Shailendra's PDF. Here are rest dates from the PDF (only stated there):

33) 30.08.1966

34) 27.08.1966

36) 08.07.1965 noon

37) 11.07.1965

38) 08.09.1963, night

39) 03.12.1963 pm

40) 08.03.1971

41) 16.06.1963 am

42) 08.04.1970

43) 12.01.1966 pm

45) 08.10.1966

46) 11.10.1966 am

47) 27.05.1967

48) 19.06.1967

49) 17.07.1967

50) 10.09.1967

51) 08.12.1967

52) 24.02.1971

53) 22.11.1969

54) 30.05.1970

55) 21.07.1970

56) 23.09.1957

58) 29.01.1960

59) 05.07.1957

60) 03.03.1960

61) 15.08.1957

62) 19.01.1960

63) 21.08.1960

64) 06.09.1960

65) 25.02.1963

66) 10.08.1963 am

67) 10.09.1965

There are also stated a few places. Sarloo, if you will have some time, please look at them in the PDF.--DhyanAntar 17:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

The Move

Prior to now there has been some unclarity concerning the title of this book; specifically, it was thought that there were two books using the same title. This book of letters was designated Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर) (2) and the presumed other Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर). In the Notes for the other, it was said, "There are two new (previously unlisted) Hindi books with this title, a book of letters and this one, said to be 'written' by Ma Anand Urmila. 'Written' is presumably in the same sense that she is the writer of Shanti Ki Khoj (शांति की खोज), ie she is transcribing from memory what Osho has said. In Shanti Ki Khoj, her reportage was validated by Osho; the same standard is presumed here. In fact the cover says nothing about her, with the author being indicated as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh".

In fact, the supposed cover, pub info and contents pages for that (non-existent) book were the same as this book, same pub date, even the same obscure printer in Varanasi, so it is no wonder that the author was indicated as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. I have searched the net today for any evidence that could justify this two-book idea and was unable to find any, so the other will be retired and this book moved to take its rightful place. -- doofus-9 05:59, 21 October 2018 (UTC)