Talk:Sakshi Ki Sadhana (साक्षी की साधना)
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| event | audio, OshoWorld |
audio, Osho.com (*1) |
2012 book ed. (*6) | Shailendra's PDF | Osho.com library | Oshoganga | Other book editions | Dates & Places |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 01 | #1 | 7. ध्यान अक्रिया है | part I. 7. ध्यान अक्रिया है | 1. ध्यान अक्रिया है | 7. ध्यान अक्रिया है | 1. (no title) | unknown (*5) | |
| Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 02 | #2 | 8. अहंकार का विसर्जन | p.I. 8. अहंकार का विसर्जन | 2. अहंकार का विसर्जन | 8. अहंकार का विसर्जन | 2. अहंकार का विसर्जन | unknown (*5) | |
| Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 03 | #3 beginning incomplete |
1. अनंत धैर्य और प्रतीक्षा beginning incomplete |
p.I. 1. अनंत धैर्य और प्रतीक्षा | 3. अनंत धैर्य और प्रतीक्षा beginning incomplete |
1. अनंत धैर्य और प्रतीक्षा beginning incomplete |
3. (no title) beginning incomplete |
25 Dec 1966 pm, Chikhaldara, meditation camp | |
| Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 04 | #4 beginning and end incomplete |
2. श्रद्धा-अश्रद्धा से मुक्ति beginning and end incomplete |
p.I. 2. श्रद्धा-अश्रद्धा से मुक्ति | 4. श्रद्धा-अश्रद्धा से मुक्ति beginning and end incomplete |
2. श्रद्धा-अश्रद्धा से मुक्ति beginning and end incomplete |
4. (no title) beginning and end incomplete |
26 Dec 1966 am, Chikhaldara, meditation camp | |
| Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 05 | #5 meditation part incomplete |
3. सहज जीवन परिवर्तन meditation part incomplete |
p.I. 3. सहज जीवन-परिवर्तन | 5. सहज जीवन-परिवर्तन meditation part incomplete |
3. सहज जीवन-परिवर्तन meditation part incomplete |
5. (no title) meditation part incomplete |
26 Dec 1966 pm, Chikhaldara, meditation camp | |
| Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 06 (*4) | #6 | 4. विवेक का जागरण | p.I. 4. विवेक का जागरण | 6. विवेक का जागरण | 4. विवेक का जागरण | 6. (no title) | 27 Dec 1966 am, Chikhaldara, meditation camp | |
| Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 07 | #7 missing meditation part |
5. प्रेम है परम सौंदर्य missing meditation part |
p.I. 5. प्रेम है परम सौदर्य | 7. प्रेम है परम सौंदर्य missing meditation part |
5. प्रेम है परम सौंदर्य missing meditation part |
7. (no title) missing meditation part |
27 Dec 1966 pm, Chikhaldara, meditation camp | |
| Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 08 | #8 beginning and end incomplete |
6. समाधि का आगमन beginning is complete, but end incomplete from 1:05:52: end of Nari Aur Kranti (6 talks) ~ 02 (~2 min) |
p.I. 6. समाधि का आगमन | 8. समाधि का आगमन end incomplete |
6. समाधि का आगमन end incomplete |
8. (no title) beginning and end incomplete |
28 Dec 1966 am, Chikhaldara, meditation camp | |
| Sakshi Ka Bodh ~ 01 | #9 incomplete |
Sakshi Ka Bodh 1. ध्यान आत्मिक दशा है (*2) incomplete |
p.II. 1. ध्यान आत्मिक दशा है | 9. ध्यान आत्मिक दशा है incomplete |
Sakshi Ka Bodh 1. ध्यान आत्मिक दशा है incomplete |
9. (no title) incomplete |
4 Feb 1966 am, Tulsishyam, meditation camp | |
| Sakshi Ka Bodh ~ 02 | #10 incomplete from 48:42 follows a part from another talk Sukh Aur Shanti ch.3 |
Sakshi Ka Bodh 2. साक्षीभाव (*2) incomplete |
p.II. 2. साक्षीभाव | 10. साक्षीभाव incomplete from p.130 follows a part from another talk Sukh Aur Shanti ch.3 |
Sakshi Ka Bodh 2. साक्षीभाव incomplete |
10. (no title) incomplete a part from another talk Sukh Aur Shanti ch.3 |
Chal Hansa Us Des, 1980ed., ch.1 incomplete ("Tulsishyam, 4 Feb 1966") |
4 Feb 1966 om **, Tulsishyam, meditation camp |
| Sakshi Ka Bodh ~ 03 | #11 incomplete |
Sakshi Ka Bodh 3. ध्यान एकमात्र योग है incomplete |
p.II. 3. ध्यान एकमात्र योग है | 11. ध्यान एकमात्र योग है incomplete |
Sakshi Ka Bodh 3. ध्यान एकमात्र योग है incomplete |
11. (no title) incomplete |
4 Feb 1966 pm, Tulsishyam, meditation camp | |
| Sakshi Ka Bodh ~ 04 | #12 incomplete? |
Sakshi Ka Bodh 4. सत्य की खोज incomplete |
p.II. 4. सत्य की खोज | 12. सत्य की खोज incomplete? |
Sakshi Ka Bodh 4. सत्य की खोज incomplete? |
12. (no title) incomplete? |
5 Feb 1966 om **, Tulsishyam, meditation camp | |
| Jeevan Geet ~ 04 | #13 missing beginning (*3) |
Jeevan Geet 4. ध्यान का द्वार: सरलता missing beginning (*3) |
p.II. 5. ध्यान का द्वार : सरलता | 13. ध्यान का द्वार : सरलता missing beginning (*3) |
Jeevan Geet 4. ध्यान का द्वार: सरलता (complete) | 13. (no title) missing beginning (*3) |
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28 Oct 1966 pm, Bhonsale Military School, Nashik, meditation camp |
- Remarks
- (*1) Comparing of Sakshi Ka Bodh audios of osho.com collection bases on text of osho.com library, audio titles and their durations.
- (*2) Two first audios on Osho.com combined into one, two titles given for each audio.
- (*3) These sources have incomplete text, i.e. first 7,5 paragraphs are missing. Chal Hansa Us Des 1980 ed. has incorrect date (Tulsishyam, Saurashtra, 6 Feb 1966).
- (*4) This event in Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document) list under title "सम्यक सन्देह से विवेक का जागरण". Date and place is confirmed by the list.
- (*5) For some clues see extracts below.
- (*6) Comparing based on chapter titles only.
Deliberations
All the editions on the main page except the 2003 Rebel edition divide the thirteen discourses into two sections, the first having eight and the second five, per the TOC below. The Rebel edition has the same chapter titles, just without the sectioning.
There are some small variations in details reported by different booksellers for a couple of the editions, as follows: The OMI edition is sometimes attributed to Rebel, and the pub year is sometimes 2010 and sometimes 2012. And the Divyansh paperback edition has two pub dates as well, 2011 and 2013.
- विषय सूची (TOC):
- साक्षी की साधना
- 1 : अनंत धैर्य और प्रतीक्षा
- 2 : श्रद्धा-अश्रद्धा से मुक्ति
- 3 : सहज जीवन परिवर्तन
- 4 : विवेक का जागरण
- 5 : प्रेम है परम सौंदर्य
- 6 : समाधि का आगमन
- 7 : ध्यान अक्रिया है
- 8 : अहंकार का विसर्जन
- साक्षी का बोध
- 1 : ध्यान आत्मिक दशा है
- 2 : साक्षीभाव
- 3 : ध्यान एक मात्र योग है
- 4 : सत्य की खोज
- 5 : ध्यान का द्वार : सरलता
Note the key concept of the last chapter's title: Dhyan Ka Dwar: Saralta, or The Door to Meditation: Simplicity -- Sarlo (talk) 01:14, 21 July 2014 (PDT)
The last 5 chapters are on Osho.com as audiobook under title "Sakshi Ka Bodh (साक्षी का बोध)--DhyanAntar 08:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)"
Extracts from Shailendra's PDF (with help of google translate, which could not translate "Vivek"):
Ch.1: not first talk of an series with meditation experiment. "You must have understood my point. In stage three, we sit for meditation right now. Everybody will sit away at that time, so that there is a facility to fall. Let all the people sit at a little distance and see very carefully that there is a facility to fall. There was some inconvenience yesterday."
Ch.2: morning talk with 3 meditation experiments. "We will understand the experiment in the next three days. This morning meeting is the reason that the experiment comes to your full consideration." In the end: "Tomorrow morning we will sit here at seven o'clock." "Our morning meeting was over. If there are any questions in this regard, I will give them written tomorrow, then I will talk about them before meditation."
Ch.3: first talk of series, night's, which starts by words "What appears to be his entry into life is not that important; More important than that, one who enters life should not be charged, forcefully, try and try, but be as comfortable as it is - flowers grow in trees, or dry leaves fly in the wind, or small- Small straws and pieces of wood flow into the river. He should arrive in an equally easy life. I will discuss that in three days, you will become a partner in the direction of understanding and thinking. Now tonight I have to say some very elementary things. But before I say those things, let me also request you. Generally, those who are keen in religion and practice think that very big things are important. My vision is different. Life is made of very small things, not of big things. And a person who becomes serious about the importance of big things, is deprived of seeing this fact, often remains deprived. He does not see that life is made up of very small things. ... I would like to discuss tonight on some small things. If we pay little attention to them, then in the coming three days, some deep work can also be done. Before I start talking, I should tell a short story..."
And in the end: "These three small things will take some care on these three, think about it and then in the coming three days you will hear about this role, this role of mind, then maybe something can be of use to you and maybe something may light be made on the path but depends on you, not on me. Everything depends on your mind's role and preparation, its vision and its vastness and its simplicity. So on the first day, I will pray to God to give such a role to your mind. Because seeds cannot do anything if the land is not ready. And if the soil is ready, then the seeds can sprout and some may come in, some may grow in them and some flowers can grow. I will pray this in the first meeting of this first day that God can give your heart such simplicity, peace and silence that it can become a land and if any seed goes into it then it can germinate and flourish."
Ch.4: morning talk + meditation. "This is the first thing I said to you this morning. Yes, tomorrow I will talk to you about Vivek's awakening. (Reference to ch.6) If you are free from reverence, then Vivek can awaken. Let the mind be free from reverence, prudence be awakened. I will talk about conscience tomorrow. ... I will talk about samadhi on the last day. (Reference to ch.8) Today I said to be free from reverence. Tomorrow, I will talk about how to awaken Vivek. (Reference to ch.6) And the day after tomorrow, how to attain samadhi, how to come into our life. (Reference to ch.8) I will discuss these three steps. You will ask all the questions related to this in the evening, so that some aspects of these may have been missed, they will come in your questions and they will be discussed."
Osho says about resistance and non-resistance. In the end: "Here we will do small experiments of non-resistance in these three days. Now we will sit here. Sitting does not mean..."
Ch.5: night talk q/a + meditation. "Like I told you in the morning that we are doing a spiritual practice of resistance with the mind, we are practicing resistance." (Reference to ch.4) "Tomorrow I will talk about how to awaken the conscience and enlighten." (Reference to ch.6)
Ch.6: morning talk + meditation. Starts the words: "We talked yesterday morning in this regard, be mind free. (Reference to ch.4) That is the first step, to awaken one's own conscience, in this direction. In the second phase, we will talk today about how to awaken one's own conscience, which methods, which ways to awaken the power of the conscience that is sleeping inside."
Ends by "And third thing: do some experiment in the direction of untouched life-behavior. Practice your senses and leave unconsciousness. Vivek will wake up again. And the day Vivek wakes up, knowing that the moment of life's greatest good fortune has come near. Tomorrow we will do the third thing in the morning. We did two things: freedom from reverence (Reference to ch.4) and awakening of conscience. (Reference to current event.) And tomorrow we will talk: the descent of Samadhi, how Samadhi came down, it will be discussed tomorrow. (Reference to ch.8) These two things which have just happened, we will discuss whatever questions will be there."
Ch.7: night talk q/a + meditation. In the end: "And there are many questions, I will talk about them later. I'll talk tomorrow. (Reference to end of ch.8 which is missing or to talk after ch.8??) For now, we have to sit for the meditation of the night."
Ch.8: talk starts by "We talked a little about freedom from devotion and awakening of conscience. The mind is free as soon as it is freed from reverence, a role is formed for awakening Vivek. There is no reason to wake up Vivek without being free from reverence. If Vivek is awake, then very sharp, extremely brilliant intelligence is born. A very thoughtful life-vision of thought begins. Without him it is not possible to provide samadhi. In today's third phase, we will consider how to come to samadhi."
With above i can conclude the order of talks by using Shailendra's ch.-numbers: 3-4-5-6-7-8, osho.com has the same sequence. Shailendra mentioned 5 talks for series Talk:Chikhaldara Shivir (चिखलदरा शिविर), but ch.8 here is related to others five chapters (3-7), which are presented in his other Chikhaldara Shivir PDF, its order you can see on CS talk-page.
And ch.1-2 belong to other series as no references to them and mentioning "three days" in ch.2 (morn.talk) conflicts with similar mentioning in ch.4 (morn.talk too).
Sarlo, what do you think about it?--DhyanAntar 13:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
What do i think about it? I think i have had too long a day to think clearly about it. Maybe it will seem clearer tomorrow but maybe not, since it also seems inherently complicated and murky. But you appear to have done well.
I might be able to offer you something about Vivek, the word that G**gle Translate was balking at. It is a very interesting word, and in fact there is a suitable English word to translate it, "discrimination".
Discrimination is the ability to see clearly the difference between things and make choices and act differently based on that seeing. But "discrimination" is a problematic word in English too because it is often used to connote a negative quality, ie a tendency to form judgments and therefrom act differently towards other people in ways based on a superficial seeing, such as treating people of other ethnicities as inferior or less worthy.
Vivek is potentially a problematic word also because in non-duality, we and all things are one, and distinctions are inherently divisive and can cause trouble. But Vivek, clear seeing, is non-divisive, because it sees how things are (and makes distinctions leading to right action) Not on the basis of previously held ideas (prejudices) but on the basis of seeing the harmonious ways of interaction that fulfills the flow of energy of the whole in the moment, rather than just the desires based on ignorance.
It is a dangerous quality because discrimination as used by the unenlightened will always lead to more suffering. The unenlightened will try to codify "right actions" into a list that one can memorize as a moral system (Ten Commandments, etc). Vivek, the clear seeing of the moment will not rely on codified rules, will reject them in fact, to see the needs of the moment.
And blah blah . . . -0- doofus-9 09:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Dates of Chikhaldara camp stated in Letter written on 2 Dec 1966, i added first night's talk only.--DhyanAntar 11:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
