Talk:Tao Upanishad, Bhag 4 (ताओ उपनिषद, भाग चार)

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Discourse dates provisional, per "Doc X", may not be 100% accurate. They are Jun 18-24, Aug 7-13, Nov 20-26 1973, have not checked for conflicts with 1973 Discourses page, sorry.

also cover image duplication persists -- Sarlo (talk) 08:28, 27 January 2014 (PST)


Dates now checked against 1973 Discourses page, no conflicts. Possibly they were all at the same place as the earlier Tao Ups, Immortal Study Circle, which could be noted as being in Bombay, where Doc X says vols 1-4 were. Dates have been provisionally entered in 1973 Timeline according to above data. updated -- doofus-9 (talk) 06:50, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


TOC below is from the audiobook places, osho.com and Osho World. Titles are the same in each except in two cases, one a coin toss, one an apparent OW typo. The discourse numbering is also the same, with numbers going from 1 to 127 over the six volumes of this mega-series, with each volume comprising 21 talks except for the first one, which has 22. Thus this volume is numbered from 65 to 85. -- doofus-9 21:09, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

65. स्वर्ग और पृथ्वी का आलिंगन
66. स्वयं का ज्ञान ही ज्ञान है [Here OW had स्वंय instead of स्वयं, looks like a typo.]
67. सारा जगत ताओ का प्रवाह है
68. ताओ का स्वाद सादा है [There is no "है" in the end in Shailendra's e-book.]
69. शक्ति पर भद्रता की विजय होती है
70. विश्व-शांति का सूत्र: सहजता व सरलता
71. सहजता और सभ्यता में तालमेल
72. श्रेष्ठ चरित्र और घटिया चरित्र
73. पैगंबर ताओ के खिले फूल हैं
74. एकै साधे सब सधे
75. अस्तित्व में सब परिपूरक है
76. अस्तित्व अनस्तित्व से घिरा है
77. सच्चे संत को पहचानना कठिन है
78. मैं अंधेपन का इलाज करता हूं
79. ताओ सब से परे हैं
80. कठिनतम पर कोमलता सदा जीतता है [Here o.com had कोमलतम instead of कोमलता. G**gle Translate made sense of the latter, not the former, but that is more likely their butchery. A tossup. The same ("कोमलतम") stated in TOC and in Shailendra's e-book.]
81. सर्वाधिक मूल्यवान—स्वयं की निजता
82. वह पूर्ण है और विकासमान भी
83. प्रार्थना मांग नहीं, धन्यवाद है
84. मार्ग स्वयं के भीतर से है
85. जीवन परमात्मा-ऊर्जा का खेल है

Dates and Places info is now in from Jagdish, image right plus text version below. Dates are as above but include now times of day as well, so good news. Note that Jagdish uses the collective chapter numbering system of later editions, which i will leave in parentheses while inserting the individual volume chapter numbers as used in the first editions.

Bhag 4 01 (065) Jun 18 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 02 (066) Jun 19 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 03 (067) Jun 20 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 04 (068) Jun 21 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 05 (069) Jun 22 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 06 (070) Jun 23 1973 am Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 07 (071) Jun 24 1973 am Patkar Hall Bombay Q&A
Bhag 4 08 (072) Aug 7 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 09 (073) Aug 8 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 10 (074) Aug 9 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 11 (075) Aug 10 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 12 (076) Aug 11 1973 am Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 13 (077) Aug 12 1973 am Patkar Hall Bombay
Bhag 4 14 (078) Aug 13 1973 pm Patkar Hall Bombay Q&A
Bhag 4 15 (079) Nov 20 1973 pm Woodlands Bombay
Bhag 4 16 (080) Nov 21 1973 pm Woodlands Bombay
Bhag 4 17 (081) Nov 22 1973 pm Woodlands Bombay
Bhag 4 18 (082) Nov 23 1973 pm Woodlands Bombay
Bhag 4 19 (083) Nov 24 1973 pm Woodlands Bombay
Bhag 4 20 (084) Nov 25 1973 pm Woodlands Bombay
Bhag 4 21 (085) Nov 26 1973 pm Woodlands Bombay Q&A

There is also the question of the venue, which up to now has been "Immortal Study Circle, Bombay" for possibly every Tao Up discourse given before the move to Pune, which is to say this volume and every one preceding it, Bhags 1 to 4. The D&P info from Jagdish suggests this "study circle" is not actually a venue. (See the D&P images in the Talk pages for Bhag 1, Bhag 2 and Bhag 3 to get the complete picture.)

The characterization of the venues for the first two rounds of Tao Up in Bhag 1 -- ie the first eight talks then the next seven a month later -- as "Amrit Study Circle talk", followed by a certifiable venue , suggests "Amrit (= Immortal) Study Circle" is not really a venue but ... well, something else, perhaps a presentation mode or other concept. This impression is reinforced by a passage found in Beyond and Beyond describing Neo-Sannyas International (NSI), which begins:

"A variety of NSI activities are held regularly in Bombay and elsewhere for the benefit of spiritual seekers. These include:
1. Meditation camps. Several times a year for approximately eight or ten days, camps are held in India at scenic hill stations such as Mt. Abu, Matheran, etc.
2. Amrit Study Circle: A series of seven lectures in Hindi is given monthly by Bhagwan on the “Tao Teh King”.
3. Geeta Lectures: Several times a year Bhagwan lectures (in Hindi) on the Geeta, on open grounds.

These descriptions of NSI activities and so on continue for a good while. The context and import of the Study Circle description make it fairly clear that it is not in fact a venue, so it seems sensible to replace "Immortal Study Circle" in the Timeline with Jagdish's venues and throw in his am's and pm's.

Note also the Q&A discourses, popping up regularly at the end of each seven-talk round. This is also the case in Bhags 2 and 3. In other Bhags, they are less regular, but when they do come, it seems to be at the end of a seven-talk cycle. -- doofus-9 18:51, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


For first talk Jagdish gives time 18:45. It is very unlikely, so i stated time 19:00 for Timeline according next talks.

1978 book edition confirmes dates and doesn't have exact time of events.--DhyanAntar 05:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


Dates of first six talks are confirmed by tape labels, except 6th talk (it is said in evening), see Talk:Tao Upanishad, Bhag 3 (ताओ उपनिषद, भाग तीन).