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//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//
I had here in Amsterdam the "official" audio tapes (Köln remastering, "Osho Master Tapes Amsterdam"), which I take as my master data. Comparing that with the CD-Rom and listening to the tapes gave this table:
I had here in Amsterdam the "official" audio tapes (Köln remastering, "Osho Master Tapes Amsterdam"), which I take as my master data. Comparing that with the CD-Rom and listening to the tapes gave this table:
  Osho Master Tapes  | CD-ROM "1.01" | CD-ROM "Rudra B" |
  Osho Master Tapes  | CD-ROM     |  
  ArchiveCode NUM    |  NUM         |  NUM            |
  ArchiveCode NUM    |  NUM       |  
  -------------------|---------------|------------------|-
  -------------------|-------------|-
  86-08-11-0  11 *      missing          missing
  86-08-11-0  11 *      missing  
  86-08-11-5  12        12               11     
  86-08-11-5  12        12  
  86-08-12-0  13        **              **
  86-08-12-0  13        **  
  86-08-12-5    **      12 (sic)         12
  86-08-12-5    **      12 (sic)  
  86-08-13-5  14        14               13     
  86-08-13-5  14        14
  86-08-14-5  15        missing          missing
  86-08-14-5  15        missing  
  89-07-21-0  16        16               14     
  89-07-21-0  16        16
   
   
                 * Audio announced, but not received at OMT and not avaible for sale in Pune.
                 * Audio announced, but not received at OMT and not avaible for sale in Pune.
               ** 1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM, CD-ROM says PM. No idea what's right. Anyhow, the number 12 on the CD-ROM 1.01 is probabably in error, should be 13.  
               ** 1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM, CD-ROM says PM. No idea what's right. Anyhow, the number 12 on the CD-ROM is probabably in error, should be 13.  
                   Content of the tape/OW-mp3 has been checked against the CD-ROM, this conforms to the table.
                   Content of the tape/OW-mp3 has been checked against the CD-ROM, this conforms to the table.
--[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 16:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
--[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 16:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
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I saw the same four archive codes in the CD-ROM as you note but numbered differently as chapters, respectively 12, 12, 14 and 16. In that scenario, # 11 and 15 are the missing ones and 13 is mis-numbered but present. 13 mis-numbered as 12 occurs in both toggles of the contents button, ie it is consistent. -- doofus-9 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I saw the same four archive codes in the CD-ROM as you note but numbered differently as chapters, respectively 12, 12, 14 and 16. In that scenario, # 11 and 15 are the missing ones and 13 is mis-numbered but present. 13 mis-numbered as 12 occurs in both toggles of the contents button, ie it is consistent. -- doofus-9 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


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//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//


I updated the table, because the original CD-Rom version 1.01 (which is probably also Doofus' version) turns out to be different from the "Rudra B" version that I normally use. Maybe Rudra has tried to correct the chapternumbers and ArchiveCodes. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 12:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I updated the table, because the original CD-Rom version 1.01 (which is probably also Doofus' version) turns out to be different from the version that I normally use. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 12:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


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yes, i think i reordered them.  
'''I renewed the table, as some new facts and especially new video material has shown up.'''  --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 14:01, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


but i'm still confused here. the missing transcripts are,according to my audio here,  from Bombay (that works for #11) and Poona (which doesn't work for #15 since Osho was still in Bombay : 86-08-14)
---------- FIRST QUESTION --------------  -- WIKI 2017-02-17 --  ------ CD-ROM --------  --- AUDIO TAPES ------  -- VIDEO --                               
--------
                                            NR  DATE              NR      ArchiveCode    '''NR'''(1)  '''ArchiveCode'''(2)    NR(3) 
"After you left India"                      #10  9 Aug 1986 am    #10      86-08-09-0      '''#10    86-08-09-0'''        #10
                                                                    #11      omitted        #11    unknown (5)
"Women all over the world find"            #11  11 Aug 1986 pm    #12      86-08-11-5      '''#12    86-08-11-5'''        #11
"What did you mean when you said"          #12  12 Aug 1986 pm    #12(sic) 86-08-12-5      '''#13    86-08-12-5''' (4)    #13
"You have been granting interviews"        #13  13 Aug 1986 pm    #14      86-08-13-5      '''#14    86-08-13-5'''        #14
"The politicians of the world are"          missing                missing                  '''#15    86-08-14-5'''        #15
"In view of the upcoming general elections" #14  21 Jul 1989 am    #16      89-07-21-0      '''#16    89-07-21-0'''         missing
(1) As written on the tape and spoken in the announcement.
(2) As written on the tape.
(3) As shown in the title-credits.
(4) In an earlier edition of the audiotapes the title was ''The Rajneesh Upanishad''.
(5) No video, audio or text is known to exist. The CD-ROM omits this chapter-number.
 
* I propose to call "86-08-11-5" number '''#12''', as both CD-ROM and audio agree there. (Video says #11 though.)
* This means following the designations of the 1990's audio tapes. C.f. the ''CD-ROM'': only the second #12 is changed to #13. Chapter #11 (date unknown) would then be missing, maybe an interview that was not recorded or missing media.
* Forget about my earlier remark ** that "1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM". That may have been written on the mastertape, but the original intro said '''PM'''.
 
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'''NOTE : Sugit has transcribed Ch 15 from tape and it is now available in the sourceDB !!''' --Rudra 20:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 13:18, 4 October 2019

//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//

I had here in Amsterdam the "official" audio tapes (Köln remastering, "Osho Master Tapes Amsterdam"), which I take as my master data. Comparing that with the CD-Rom and listening to the tapes gave this table:

Osho Master Tapes  |  CD-ROM     | 
ArchiveCode NUM    |  NUM        | 
-------------------|-------------|-
86-08-11-0  11 *      missing 
86-08-11-5  12        12 
86-08-12-0  13        ** 
86-08-12-5    **      12 (sic) 
86-08-13-5  14        14  
86-08-14-5  15        missing 
89-07-21-0  16        16  

               * Audio announced, but not received at OMT and not avaible for sale in Pune.
              ** 1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM, CD-ROM says PM. No idea what's right. Anyhow, the number 12 on the CD-ROM is probabably in error, should be 13. 
                 Content of the tape/OW-mp3 has been checked against the CD-ROM, this conforms to the table.

--Sugit (talk) 16:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//

I saw the same four archive codes in the CD-ROM as you note but numbered differently as chapters, respectively 12, 12, 14 and 16. In that scenario, # 11 and 15 are the missing ones and 13 is mis-numbered but present. 13 mis-numbered as 12 occurs in both toggles of the contents button, ie it is consistent. -- doofus-9 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//

I updated the table, because the original CD-Rom version 1.01 (which is probably also Doofus' version) turns out to be different from the version that I normally use. --Sugit (talk) 12:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


I renewed the table, as some new facts and especially new video material has shown up. --Sugit (talk) 14:01, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

---------- FIRST QUESTION --------------   -- WIKI 2017-02-17 --   ------ CD-ROM --------   --- AUDIO TAPES ------  -- VIDEO --                                
                                            NR   DATE               NR       ArchiveCode     NR(1)  ArchiveCode(2)     NR(3)  
"After you left India"                      #10   9 Aug 1986 am     #10      86-08-09-0      #10    86-08-09-0         #10
                                                                    #11      omitted         #11    unknown (5)
"Women all over the world find"             #11  11 Aug 1986 pm     #12      86-08-11-5      #12    86-08-11-5         #11 
"What did you mean when you said"           #12  12 Aug 1986 pm     #12(sic) 86-08-12-5      #13    86-08-12-5 (4)     #13
"You have been granting interviews"         #13  13 Aug 1986 pm     #14      86-08-13-5      #14    86-08-13-5         #14
"The politicians of the world are"          missing                 missing                  #15    86-08-14-5         #15
"In view of the upcoming general elections" #14  21 Jul 1989 am     #16      89-07-21-0      #16    89-07-21-0         missing

(1) As written on the tape and spoken in the announcement.
(2) As written on the tape.
(3) As shown in the title-credits.
(4) In an earlier edition of the audiotapes the title was The Rajneesh Upanishad. 
(5) No video, audio or text is known to exist. The CD-ROM omits this chapter-number.
  • I propose to call "86-08-11-5" number #12, as both CD-ROM and audio agree there. (Video says #11 though.)
  • This means following the designations of the 1990's audio tapes. C.f. the CD-ROM: only the second #12 is changed to #13. Chapter #11 (date unknown) would then be missing, maybe an interview that was not recorded or missing media.
  • Forget about my earlier remark ** that "1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM". That may have been written on the mastertape, but the original intro said PM.

NOTE : Sugit has transcribed Ch 15 from tape and it is now available in the sourceDB !! --Rudra 20:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC)