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//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//
I had here in Amsterdam the "official" audio tapes (Köln remastering, "Osho Master Tapes Amsterdam"), which I take as my master data. Comparing that with the CD-Rom and listening to the tapes gave this table:
I had here in Amsterdam the "official" audio tapes (Köln remastering, "Osho Master Tapes Amsterdam"), which I take as my master data. Comparing that with the CD-Rom and listening to the tapes gave this table:
  Osho Master Tapes  | CD-ROM "1.01" | CD-ROM "Rudra B" |
  Osho Master Tapes  | CD-ROM     |  
  ArchiveCode NUM    |  NUM         |  NUM            |
  ArchiveCode NUM    |  NUM       |  
  -------------------|---------------|------------------|-
  -------------------|-------------|-
  86-08-11-0  11 *      missing          missing
  86-08-11-0  11 *      missing  
  86-08-11-5  12        12               11     
  86-08-11-5  12        12  
  86-08-12-0  13        **              **
  86-08-12-0  13        **  
  86-08-12-5    **      12 (sic)         12
  86-08-12-5    **      12 (sic)  
  86-08-13-5  14        14               13     
  86-08-13-5  14        14
  86-08-14-5  15        missing          missing
  86-08-14-5  15        missing  
  89-07-21-0  16        16               14     
  89-07-21-0  16        16
   
   
                 * Audio announced, but not received at OMT and not avaible for sale in Pune.
                 * Audio announced, but not received at OMT and not avaible for sale in Pune.
               ** 1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM, CD-ROM says PM. No idea what's right. Anyhow, the number 12 on the CD-ROM 1.01 is probabably in error, should be 13.  
               ** 1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM, CD-ROM says PM. No idea what's right. Anyhow, the number 12 on the CD-ROM is probabably in error, should be 13.  
                   Content of the tape/OW-mp3 has been checked against the CD-ROM, this conforms to the table.
                   Content of the tape/OW-mp3 has been checked against the CD-ROM, this conforms to the table.
--[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 16:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
--[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 16:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
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//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//


I saw the same four archive codes in the CD-ROM as you note but numbered differently as chapters, respectively 12, 12, 14 and 16. In that scenario, # 11 and 15 are the missing ones and 13 is mis-numbered but present. 13 mis-numbered as 12 occurs in both toggles of the contents button, ie it is consistent. -- doofus-9 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I saw the same four archive codes in the CD-ROM as you note but numbered differently as chapters, respectively 12, 12, 14 and 16. In that scenario, # 11 and 15 are the missing ones and 13 is mis-numbered but present. 13 mis-numbered as 12 occurs in both toggles of the contents button, ie it is consistent. -- doofus-9 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


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//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//


I updated the table, because the original CD-Rom version 1.01 (which is probably also Doofus' version) turns out to be different from the "Rudra B" version that I normally use. Maybe Rudra has tried to correct the chapternumbers and ArchiveCodes. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 12:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I updated the table, because the original CD-Rom version 1.01 (which is probably also Doofus' version) turns out to be different from the version that I normally use. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 12:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


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yes, i think i reordered them.  
'''I renewed the table, as some new facts and especially new video material has shown up.'''  --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 14:01, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


:but i'm still confused here. the missing transcripts are,according to my audio here, from Bombay (that works for #11) and Poona (which doesn't work for #15 since Osho was still in Bombay : 86-08-14)
---------- FIRST QUESTION --------------  -- WIKI 2017-02-17 --  ------ CD-ROM --------  --- AUDIO TAPES ------  -- VIDEO --                               
:my un-transcribed audiotapes here are announced as "discourse no 15" and "discourse no 16" (for what they are worth since they were not created on the day of the recording)
                                            NR  DATE              NR      ArchiveCode    '''NR'''(1) '''ArchiveCode'''(2)    NR(3) 
:sre you saying that your un-transcribed audiotapes are announced as "discourse no 11" and "discourse no 15" ? and where were they held ?
"After you left India"                      #10  9 Aug 1986 am    #10      86-08-09-0      '''#10    86-08-09-0'''        #10
--[[User:Rudra|Rudra]] ([[User talk:Rudra|talk]]) 05:36, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
                                                                    #11      omitted        #11   unknown (5)
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"Women all over the world find"            #11  11 Aug 1986 pm    #12      86-08-11-5      '''#12    86-08-11-5'''        #11
"What did you mean when you said"          #12  12 Aug 1986 pm    #12(sic) 86-08-12-5      '''#13    86-08-12-5''' (4)     #13
"You have been granting interviews"        #13  13 Aug 1986 pm    #14      86-08-13-5      '''#14    86-08-13-5'''        #14
"The politicians of the world are"         missing                missing                  '''#15   86-08-14-5'''        #15
"In view of the upcoming general elections" #14 21 Jul 1989 am    #16      89-07-21-0      '''#16   89-07-21-0'''        missing
(1) As written on the tape and spoken in the announcement.
(2) As written on the tape.
(3) As shown in the title-credits.
(4) In an earlier edition of the audiotapes the title was ''The Rajneesh Upanishad''.
(5) No video, audio or text is known to exist. The CD-ROM omits this chapter-number.
 
* I propose to call "86-08-11-5" number '''#12''', as both CD-ROM and audio agree there. (Video says #11 though.)
* This means following the designations of the 1990's audio tapes. C.f. the ''CD-ROM'': only the second #12 is changed to #13. Chapter #11 (date unknown) would then be missing, maybe an interview that was not recorded or missing media.
* Forget about my earlier remark ** that "1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM". That may have been written on the mastertape, but the original intro said '''PM'''.
 
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'''NOTE : Sugit has transcribed Ch 15 from tape and it is now available in the sourceDB !!''' --Rudra 20:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 13:18, 4 October 2019

//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//

I had here in Amsterdam the "official" audio tapes (Köln remastering, "Osho Master Tapes Amsterdam"), which I take as my master data. Comparing that with the CD-Rom and listening to the tapes gave this table:

Osho Master Tapes  |  CD-ROM     | 
ArchiveCode NUM    |  NUM        | 
-------------------|-------------|-
86-08-11-0  11 *      missing 
86-08-11-5  12        12 
86-08-12-0  13        ** 
86-08-12-5    **      12 (sic) 
86-08-13-5  14        14  
86-08-14-5  15        missing 
89-07-21-0  16        16  

               * Audio announced, but not received at OMT and not avaible for sale in Pune.
              ** 1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM, CD-ROM says PM. No idea what's right. Anyhow, the number 12 on the CD-ROM is probabably in error, should be 13. 
                 Content of the tape/OW-mp3 has been checked against the CD-ROM, this conforms to the table.

--Sugit (talk) 16:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//

I saw the same four archive codes in the CD-ROM as you note but numbered differently as chapters, respectively 12, 12, 14 and 16. In that scenario, # 11 and 15 are the missing ones and 13 is mis-numbered but present. 13 mis-numbered as 12 occurs in both toggles of the contents button, ie it is consistent. -- doofus-9 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//

I updated the table, because the original CD-Rom version 1.01 (which is probably also Doofus' version) turns out to be different from the version that I normally use. --Sugit (talk) 12:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


I renewed the table, as some new facts and especially new video material has shown up. --Sugit (talk) 14:01, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

---------- FIRST QUESTION --------------   -- WIKI 2017-02-17 --   ------ CD-ROM --------   --- AUDIO TAPES ------  -- VIDEO --                                
                                            NR   DATE               NR       ArchiveCode     NR(1)  ArchiveCode(2)     NR(3)  
"After you left India"                      #10   9 Aug 1986 am     #10      86-08-09-0      #10    86-08-09-0         #10
                                                                    #11      omitted         #11    unknown (5)
"Women all over the world find"             #11  11 Aug 1986 pm     #12      86-08-11-5      #12    86-08-11-5         #11 
"What did you mean when you said"           #12  12 Aug 1986 pm     #12(sic) 86-08-12-5      #13    86-08-12-5 (4)     #13
"You have been granting interviews"         #13  13 Aug 1986 pm     #14      86-08-13-5      #14    86-08-13-5         #14
"The politicians of the world are"          missing                 missing                  #15    86-08-14-5         #15
"In view of the upcoming general elections" #14  21 Jul 1989 am     #16      89-07-21-0      #16    89-07-21-0         missing

(1) As written on the tape and spoken in the announcement.
(2) As written on the tape.
(3) As shown in the title-credits.
(4) In an earlier edition of the audiotapes the title was The Rajneesh Upanishad. 
(5) No video, audio or text is known to exist. The CD-ROM omits this chapter-number.
  • I propose to call "86-08-11-5" number #12, as both CD-ROM and audio agree there. (Video says #11 though.)
  • This means following the designations of the 1990's audio tapes. C.f. the CD-ROM: only the second #12 is changed to #13. Chapter #11 (date unknown) would then be missing, maybe an interview that was not recorded or missing media.
  • Forget about my earlier remark ** that "1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM". That may have been written on the mastertape, but the original intro said PM.

NOTE : Sugit has transcribed Ch 15 from tape and it is now available in the sourceDB !! --Rudra 20:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC)