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I had here in Amsterdam the "official" audio tapes (Köln remastering, "Osho Master Tapes Amsterdam"), which I take as my master data. Comparing that with the CD-Rom and listening to the tapes gave this table: | I had here in Amsterdam the "official" audio tapes (Köln remastering, "Osho Master Tapes Amsterdam"), which I take as my master data. Comparing that with the CD-Rom and listening to the tapes gave this table: | ||
Osho Master Tapes | CD-ROM | Osho Master Tapes | CD-ROM | | ||
ArchiveCode NUM | NUM | ArchiveCode NUM | NUM | | ||
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86-08-11-0 11 * | 86-08-11-0 11 * missing | ||
86-08-11-5 12 12 | 86-08-11-5 12 12 | ||
86-08-12-0 13 | 86-08-12-0 13 ** | ||
86-08-12-5 ** 12 (sic) | 86-08-12-5 ** 12 (sic) | ||
86-08-13-5 14 14 | 86-08-13-5 14 14 | ||
86-08-14-5 15 | 86-08-14-5 15 missing | ||
89-07-21-0 16 16 | 89-07-21-0 16 16 | ||
* Audio announced, but not received at OMT and not avaible for sale in Pune. | * Audio announced, but not received at OMT and not avaible for sale in Pune. | ||
** 1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM, CD-ROM says PM. No idea what's right. Anyhow, the number 12 on the CD-ROM | ** 1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM, CD-ROM says PM. No idea what's right. Anyhow, the number 12 on the CD-ROM is probabably in error, should be 13. | ||
Content of the tape/OW-mp3 has been checked against the CD-ROM, this conforms to the table. | Content of the tape/OW-mp3 has been checked against the CD-ROM, this conforms to the table. | ||
--[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 16:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC) | --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 16:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC) | ||
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//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.// | |||
I saw the same four archive codes in the CD-ROM as you note but numbered differently as chapters, respectively 12, 12, 14 and 16. In that scenario, # 11 and 15 are the missing ones and 13 is mis-numbered but present. 13 mis-numbered as 12 occurs in both toggles of the contents button, ie it is consistent. -- doofus-9 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC) | I saw the same four archive codes in the CD-ROM as you note but numbered differently as chapters, respectively 12, 12, 14 and 16. In that scenario, # 11 and 15 are the missing ones and 13 is mis-numbered but present. 13 mis-numbered as 12 occurs in both toggles of the contents button, ie it is consistent. -- doofus-9 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC) | ||
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//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.// | |||
I updated the table, because the original CD-Rom version 1.01 (which is probably also Doofus' version) turns out to be different from the | I updated the table, because the original CD-Rom version 1.01 (which is probably also Doofus' version) turns out to be different from the version that I normally use. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 12:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC) | ||
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'''I renewed the table, as some new facts and especially new video material has shown up.''' --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 14:01, 18 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
---------- FIRST QUESTION -------------- -- WIKI 2017-02-17 -- ------ CD-ROM -------- --- AUDIO TAPES ------ -- VIDEO -- | |||
NR DATE NR ArchiveCode '''NR'''(1) '''ArchiveCode'''(2) NR(3) | |||
"After you left India" #10 9 Aug 1986 am #10 86-08-09-0 '''#10 86-08-09-0''' #10 | |||
-- | #11 omitted #11 unknown (5) | ||
-------- | "Women all over the world find" #11 11 Aug 1986 pm #12 86-08-11-5 '''#12 86-08-11-5''' #11 | ||
"What did you mean when you said" #12 12 Aug 1986 pm #12(sic) 86-08-12-5 '''#13 86-08-12-5''' (4) #13 | |||
"You have been granting interviews" #13 13 Aug 1986 pm #14 86-08-13-5 '''#14 86-08-13-5''' #14 | |||
"The politicians of the world are" missing missing '''#15 86-08-14-5''' #15 | |||
"In view of the upcoming general elections" #14 21 Jul 1989 am #16 89-07-21-0 '''#16 89-07-21-0''' missing | |||
(1) As written on the tape and spoken in the announcement. | |||
(2) As written on the tape. | |||
(3) As shown in the title-credits. | |||
(4) In an earlier edition of the audiotapes the title was ''The Rajneesh Upanishad''. | |||
(5) No video, audio or text is known to exist. The CD-ROM omits this chapter-number. | |||
* I propose to call "86-08-11-5" number '''#12''', as both CD-ROM and audio agree there. (Video says #11 though.) | |||
* This means following the designations of the 1990's audio tapes. C.f. the ''CD-ROM'': only the second #12 is changed to #13. Chapter #11 (date unknown) would then be missing, maybe an interview that was not recorded or missing media. | |||
* Forget about my earlier remark ** that "1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM". That may have been written on the mastertape, but the original intro said '''PM'''. | |||
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'''NOTE : Sugit has transcribed Ch 15 from tape and it is now available in the sourceDB !!''' --Rudra 20:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
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Latest revision as of 13:18, 4 October 2019
//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//
I had here in Amsterdam the "official" audio tapes (Köln remastering, "Osho Master Tapes Amsterdam"), which I take as my master data. Comparing that with the CD-Rom and listening to the tapes gave this table:
Osho Master Tapes | CD-ROM | ArchiveCode NUM | NUM | -------------------|-------------|- 86-08-11-0 11 * missing 86-08-11-5 12 12 86-08-12-0 13 ** 86-08-12-5 ** 12 (sic) 86-08-13-5 14 14 86-08-14-5 15 missing 89-07-21-0 16 16 * Audio announced, but not received at OMT and not avaible for sale in Pune. ** 1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM, CD-ROM says PM. No idea what's right. Anyhow, the number 12 on the CD-ROM is probabably in error, should be 13. Content of the tape/OW-mp3 has been checked against the CD-ROM, this conforms to the table.
--Sugit (talk) 16:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//
I saw the same four archive codes in the CD-ROM as you note but numbered differently as chapters, respectively 12, 12, 14 and 16. In that scenario, # 11 and 15 are the missing ones and 13 is mis-numbered but present. 13 mis-numbered as 12 occurs in both toggles of the contents button, ie it is consistent. -- doofus-9 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
//Outdated, see the post of 18 February 2017.//
I updated the table, because the original CD-Rom version 1.01 (which is probably also Doofus' version) turns out to be different from the version that I normally use. --Sugit (talk) 12:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I renewed the table, as some new facts and especially new video material has shown up. --Sugit (talk) 14:01, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
---------- FIRST QUESTION -------------- -- WIKI 2017-02-17 -- ------ CD-ROM -------- --- AUDIO TAPES ------ -- VIDEO -- NR DATE NR ArchiveCode NR(1) ArchiveCode(2) NR(3) "After you left India" #10 9 Aug 1986 am #10 86-08-09-0 #10 86-08-09-0 #10 #11 omitted #11 unknown (5) "Women all over the world find" #11 11 Aug 1986 pm #12 86-08-11-5 #12 86-08-11-5 #11 "What did you mean when you said" #12 12 Aug 1986 pm #12(sic) 86-08-12-5 #13 86-08-12-5 (4) #13 "You have been granting interviews" #13 13 Aug 1986 pm #14 86-08-13-5 #14 86-08-13-5 #14 "The politicians of the world are" missing missing #15 86-08-14-5 #15 "In view of the upcoming general elections" #14 21 Jul 1989 am #16 89-07-21-0 #16 89-07-21-0 missing (1) As written on the tape and spoken in the announcement. (2) As written on the tape. (3) As shown in the title-credits. (4) In an earlier edition of the audiotapes the title was The Rajneesh Upanishad. (5) No video, audio or text is known to exist. The CD-ROM omits this chapter-number.
- I propose to call "86-08-11-5" number #12, as both CD-ROM and audio agree there. (Video says #11 though.)
- This means following the designations of the 1990's audio tapes. C.f. the CD-ROM: only the second #12 is changed to #13. Chapter #11 (date unknown) would then be missing, maybe an interview that was not recorded or missing media.
- Forget about my earlier remark ** that "1986, August 12: OMT tapes says AM". That may have been written on the mastertape, but the original intro said PM.
NOTE : Sugit has transcribed Ch 15 from tape and it is now available in the sourceDB !! --Rudra 20:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC)