The Last Testament (Vol 1) ~ 21

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event type interview
date & time 7 Aug 1985 pm
location Jesus Grove, Rajneeshpuram
language English
audio Available, duration 1h 55min. Quality: good.
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video Available, duration 2h 7min. Quality: good.
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online text find the PDF of this discourse
shorttitle LAST121
notes
synopsis
Interview. Announcements by Ma Prem Savita : Pat Healy from KNBC-TV, Los Angeles
CD-ROM on this chapter: Interview with KNBC-TV, Los Angeles, CA.
Question 1
How should I address you? What name do you prefer?
Question 2
During the three years of your silence, was there anything special in the world occurring that alarms you? More so than what had transpired previously?
Question 3
You speak of changing human nature. Now that the virus AIDS is here, it is present, it is there. Now the nuclear weapons are in existence. Is changing human nature akin to closing the barn door after the animal has escaped, now that the problem is already here?
Question 4
How do you know that?
Question 5
Are you getting used to the tape changes, the interruptions?
Question 6
Bhagwan, we heard a lot of rumors during your three years of silence about you own health. How do you feel now?
Question 7
The back problems, the allergies, they are improving?
Question 8
Are they frustrations, limiting your...?
Question 9
So that's the reason! I've been wondering!
Question 10
How can a man who likes Rolls Royces dislike spaghetti?
Question 11
What will happen to your followers when you pass on?
Question 12
Why is it important to you now to be here, to remain in the United States, to remain in Oregon, to have the attorneys fighting the battles with immigration?
Question 13
Do you think it is possible to persuade the people of Oregon, or do they have to be defeated?
Question 14
When you use phrases that are taken by the people of Oregon and others as inflammatory in your discourses.... You have referred to people who are held very dearly by people here ... By phrases such as "Pope the Polack," "Christ the crackpot," "Mother Teresa, the criminal." Are those phrases intended to bring enlightenment to people, or do they instead fill the hearts of those people with such hatred that they cannot hear what you are saying?
Question 15
Is it possible for you to look at a child dying of starvation and not to feel a tug at your heart, a desire to do something for the child?
Question 16
Bhagwan, let me ask you about some other misfortunate souls....
Question 17
You enjoy it? How so?
Question 18
Let me ask you about one of the things that's perhaps made you notorious in this humanity -- bringing the unfortunate souls I was about to talk about earlier, the hobos, the transients, the derelicts who were brought here last fall. Did you approve of that? Was that a wise thing to do?
Question 19
Why did those men not forget about their headaches? Why couldn't they adapt here? Why did they leave?
Question 20
But you knew that. Why did you still bring them here?
Question 21
Could you amplify on that?
Question 22
When will you?
Question 23
But the intent is to bring the word to additional people?
Question 24
Are you happy with the way this commune has developed? Let me ask in particular about all the security precautions that apparently have become necessary to maintain the integrity of the commune. Is that the kind of environment in which you live to live?
Question 25
What is the reason for them, then?
Question 26
The commune here defending itself if there should be some attack -- is that in concept any different from a nation stockpiling nuclear weapons to defend itself from an attack?
Question 27
I gather from your condemnation, then, of stockpiling nuclear weapons that you are not pleased with what the commune is doing.
Question 28
I don't think they had ouzis in world war I, did they?
Question 29
That's an ominous statement. I mean, do you have a vision? Is this commune going to become some form of martyr?
Question 30
How much of the time are you joking?
Question 31
But what do you do about the people who take you seriously?
Question 32
You at times have spoken well of some of the things Jesus said, some of the words that are attributed to Buddha, to Mohammed. And I have also understood you to say that much of what they did that is good was lost in the formalism of their followers, what the followers tried to establish. I want to ask you if you see a parallel happening in this commune here -- that what you are saying is being lost in the formalism of your followers?
Question 33
Why didn't you say it, then?
Question 34
Do the ends justify the means?
Question 35
Do you believe in Machiavelli? Is that part of your philosophy?
Question 36
Do you wear that watch except during TV interviews?
Question 37
If I understood you correctly, that you saw speaking highly of Jesus as a strategy to appeal to Christians, to get your word to them, as a tactic. Do you have new tactics now? Is your talking to us this evening -- is this part of a new tactic to reach people?
Question 38
You used the figure earlier, if I understood correctly, of a million sannyasins around the world. Would that be your estimate?
Question 39
I have read -- I have not personally ascertained the accuracy of this -- that a number of your meditation centers both in the United States and in Europe have closed, and the conclusion that some people have drawn from that is that the number of sannyasins is shrinking.
Question 40
Are you their master, as well?
Question 41
Bhagwan, how do you think what we've discussed earlier that it's kind of hard to categorize you, but what conclusions do you think history will reach about your experiment here?
Question 42
And furthermore, you don't care!
Question 43
Why share it with the world? You mentioned earlier your happiness in your own person.... Why not keep it within yourself?
Question 44
There are a few giggles there. Define what you mean by profit-making.
Question 45
Edited excerpt: 6min 6sec, questions 45, 48 **
Why is it important, or why is it necessary to sell bliss, why can't you give it away?
Question 46
In that case, how much are you going to charge me for the grapes?
Question 47
So, no value?
Question 48
I would like to ask you to repeat some of the words you just said... Why bliss has to be sold.... Why you sell bliss.
Could you grant us three more minutes?


(source:CD-ROM)


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