The Last Testament (Vol 3) ~ 29

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event type interview
date & time 19 Oct 1985 pm
location Sanai Grove, Rajneeshpuram
language English
audio Available, duration 1h 38min. Quality: good.
Live music after the interview.
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video Available, duration 1h 43min. Quality: good.
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shorttitle LAST329
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Interview. Announcements by Ma Prem Hasya : name inaudible; name inaudible.
CD-ROM on this chapter: Interview with MITI TV, Milwaukie, Wisconsin (questions 1-51); and Ma Prem Arup (q.52).
Question 1 : MITI TV, Milwaukie, Wisconsin
I can't help smiling when I look at you. You seem so happy.... You are a happy man?
Question 2
You know how television is, sometimes we have to condense things. So I would ask, that we try to get some short answers....
Question 3
Well, usually twenty seconds to twenty-five seconds is the edited down portion of the answer. But if you feel the need to expand a bit beyond that, please feel free.
What is your vision?
Question 4
What are you? Are you a teacher?
Question 5
The terms are very important, of course.
Question 6
There is no Rajneeshism.
Question 7
Nature doesn't like carbon copies?
Question 8
I saw one description that what is happening here is all based on "love, sexual freedom without guilt, and enjoyment of riches." Does that say it well enough, or is it too simple.
Question 9
Please tell me then, what is happening here, what it is based on.
Question 10
How could it be?
Question 11
Is there a reward for the rich in the hereafter?
Question 12
You have felt for some time, according to what I have read, that women have not been treated equally and have not been respected, and have not been thought to be able to do what man can do.
Question 13
So, we have really one global village and should act as one?
Question 14
You had said that the world was going to end sometime in the next fifteen years. Do you still stand by that prophecy?
Question 15
How will this come about?
Question 16
Regarding Ma Anand Sheela and her abrupt departure and her alleged criminal activity beforehand. Please help me understand what kind of impact that has had on Rajneeshpuram.
Question 17
There is a change in attitude, thought, no doubt.
Question 18
And it will also be their job to do with her what they will, if she is arrested and brought to trial. What do you want to have happen to her? Punishment?
Question 19
What would be better? A forgiveness?
Question 20
If Sheela were to seek treatment, and would come to you and ask that you accept her...
Question 21
It is possible she could come back and rejoin and....
Question 22
Was the share-a-home program a big mistake to bring those people here?
Question 23
Why so?
Question 24
So she was using these people in your eyes towards that goal?
Question 25
You have evidence that she kept them drugged to be be more docile?
Question 26
What types of drugs?
Question 27
Heroin?
Question 28
Haldone, yes, a tranquilizer of some sort.
Question 29
I've been told today that out of thirty-five hundred that came, only two hundred do remain. I have just heard you explain how a criminal can be treated and changed. Would it be your view that these two hundred that remain, have gone through a type of treatment.
Question 30
And what does Rajneeshpuram offer to them now, these men and women who were homeless before?
Question 31
You have lifted them from their poverty?
Question 32
There has been quite a struggle for the past four years of the world outside against what is happening here. Have you ever contemplated simply giving it up and moving somewhere else, leaving?
Question 33
That is not a possibility?
Question 34
This is a challenge of I would think, the highest order.
Question 35
But how would it be a tourist attraction? What would bring those people in?
Question 36
Is there religious freedom and freedom of beliefs in the United States in your view?
Question 37
But you have said you enjoy a challenge.
Question 38
If you were to put forth that argument to some of these people with whom you've had to deal, they would probably become very hostile.
Question 39
I was speaking with some ranchers outside Antelope. They were making the point that, again they want you to leave. They have a very personal hostility toward you. But indifference is really the true enemy, and not hostility as such, is that correct?
Question 40
We don't have a lot of indifferent people when it comes to this topic, do we?
Question 41
What do they wish? Have they been clear? Do you understand what else they may wish?
Question 42
How does that affect you personally, the conflict and hostility?
Question 43
You don't take offense from it?
Question 44
That is because you are comfortable with yourself and you have confidence....
Question 45
Do you enjoy doing the interviews?
Question 46
Has the media been a good friend?
Question 47
Have you watched carefully the coverage that has been?
Question 48
But they have been a good friend in that they get the message out to those people whom you want to...?
Question 49
You trust me an awful lot!
Question 50
You trust everybody -- you haven't been burned by that in so many years?
Question 51
Some of those whom you have trusted turned in you, in the case of Sheela....
Question 52 : Ma Prem Arup
Bhagwan, in your own life, your enlightenment was preceded by a year of what you have called "nervous breakdown" and "breakthrough", when you were surrounded by nothingness and had lost all contact with the world -- does this state happen to everyone before enlightenment, and are there other stages that one passes through? Or can one live a rather normal seeming life and one day just become enlightened with no warning?


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