The Last Testament (Vol 3) ~ 02

event type	interview
date & time	23 Sep 1985 pm
location	Sanai Grove, Rajneeshpuram
language	English
audio	Available, duration 2h 39min. Quality: good.
online audio	free download from OshoWorld
video	Available, duration 2h 51min. Quality: good, but from 2:41:17 to 2:46:16 the video freezes, audio goes on (under revision).
online video	Edited excerpt: Only That Which You Have Experienced Has to Be Trusted (14min 19sec, questions 1-3) ** Edited excerpt: It Is Easier to Speak the Truth than to Write It (3min 08sec, a part of questions 77-81) **
see also	timeline : Osho Timeline 1985 first edition : The Last Testament (Vol 3) (1994 on CD-ROM) other editions, translations and links
online text	find the PDF of this discourse
shorttitle	LAST302

notes

synopsis

Interview. Announcements by unidentified woman : (inaudible); Richard Wagner from CBS Nightwatch; Scott Miller from Channel 8 (inaudible).

CD-ROM on this chapter: Interviews with: George Paravanani, Freelance German TV (questions 1-33); Richard Wagner, CBS Nightwatch, National TV (q.34-81) and Scott Miller, NBC, Channel 8, Portland, Oregon (q.82-104).

Amrito intro (1990-1994 remastering audio project): ZDF-TV, Germany; CBS-TV Nightwatch, USA and NBC Ch.8, Portland, Oregon. (The same stated on tape jaket.)

Question 1 : George Paravanani, Freelance German TV

Edited excerpt: 14min 19sec, questions 1-3 **

Tell me as precisely and concisely as possible the essence of your teachings, if it has changed from 1970 when I first interviewed you.

Question 2

I also want to say that I have come here not so much first as a journalist but as a countryman, as an admirer, as a well-wisher who has read a lot of your books.

Question 3

May I interrupt?

Question 4

I'm also enlightened. I have been enlightened a little bit in (inaudible) but I would like to come to one point.

Question 5

I only meant to say I was starting on the journey.

Question 6

With regard to Sheela's leaving, what are you going to do in the future?

Question 7

According to the reports in the Rajneesh Times and in the papers, she was sent off at the airport with a song. Obviously they knew that she was leaving. Why didn't you stop her. You obviously had the authority to stop her.

Question 8

In your plane?

Question 9

Well, they were helping packing up her clothes and....

Question 10

Well, she said, "Bhagwan is only interested now in jewelry and not in the thing; I'm leaving."

Question 11

Some of these forty people are still here, who sang and cried and said goodbye.

Question 12

When did you know that she had left?

Question 13

When did you discover that tape recorders, the hidden passage? How did all that happen? It's almost like a suspense crime story, a Sherlock Holmes thing.

Question 14

These three people were close to you: your doctor, your dentist, and your caretaker, have been with you since India. And if you had educated them and brought them up to a sense of responsibility, then they should have overcome this fear and informed you of what was happening here. And indirectly, are you willing to take part responsibility for the phenomenon Sheela and what happened?

Question 15

Your dentist, or your nurse? She saw you daily.

Question 16

But he felt that he was poisoned.

Question 17

How many months ago? How many weeks ago?

Question 18

So then why didn't he tell you immediately?

Question 19

Even you got an injection or a needle, is that right?

Question 20

I would like to quote one of....

Question 21

So he's with you all the time?

Question 22

Then he had an opportunity to tell you, "Listen, master"....

Question 23

So these three people were as unaware and as cut off from the rest of the community?

Question 24

So they'd never been to the canteen and spoke to the people?

Question 25

Are you scared?

Question 26

Are you scared that she might blackmail you?

Question 27

Because she was a little crazed that I knew long time ago.

Question 28

But not to hold the power over you?

Question 29

You know Sheela obviously long time. This is definitely not the Sheela you knew in the beginning. Something happened to her.

Question 30

Among these five thousand people -- doctors, lawyers, psychologists, one of them should have had the guts to somehow get the message to you. There's something funny happening here.

Question 31

When I came here last time, it was as if I were in an imminent Jonestown, I could feel it. Why didn't somebody have the courage to indirectly let you know that something is not right here?

Question 32

But you and I know very well that guns never solved any problems.

Question 33

I would like to know who is Bhagwan Rajneesh?

Question 34 : Richard Wagner, CBS Nightwatch, National TV

Do you enjoy the attention of all of us, all we reporters who come here or would you rather we didn't come and ask you things?

Question 35

What is the situation here now? Sheela and the gang are gone. What is the mood? What is the feeling at Rajneeshpuram now?

Question 36

Which it is meant to be, right?

Question 37

Bhagwan, how were they able to do that? How could they distort the aim of the commune?

Question 38

Forty-three million dollars she has?

Question 39

-- of money that belongs to the commune?

Question 40

What can you do?

Question 41

If I may ask, how did you discover what she was about after the time?

Question 42

These people couldn't communicate with you and tell you what was happening?

Question 43

This is their packing the polls?

Question 44

This was your doctor, your dentist....

Question 45

Oh, they never discovered what kind it was?

Question 46

And that's what they were using?

Question 47

If they were using it and they understood how to use it, why didn't they use enough to kill? Why just use enough to make someone sick?

Question 48

Is this being investigated now by the authorities?

Question 49

You're cooperating with that?

Question 50

Are people coming forward now?

Question 51

Bhagwan, was the reason for this to steal money? Is that at the base of it? Did they want to take the money and run?

Question 52

Have you spoken with her since she left by telephone?

Question 53

Would you speak with her in any way if you could?

Question 54

Would you speak to her if she came and asked to be forgiven?

Question 55

Bhagwan, did, did she and her gang steal so much money from the commune that the commune could be in financial difficulty?

Question 56

Bhagwan, what is your, your status vis-a-vis staying in the United States? Are you here legally? Can you stay with no problem, or do you have a difficulty with immigration and naturalization?

Question 57

Assuming that you will be here as long as you please, how are you getting along now with your neighbors in this part of Oregon? Are you friends with them?

Question 58

What about Sheela and her group bringing the homeless people from around the country here at election time? Was that one of her plots?

Question 59

How can you make up to the local people? How can you get the confidence of the people who live around the commune?

Question 60

Buy them back?

Question 61

The people here clearly wish you no harm. Why is it necessary to maintain such rigid security in this commune?

Question 62

Why would they want to destroy the commune?

Question 63

The Supreme court of Oregon said that the land use was not proper, is that correct?

Question 64

So you'll appeal on to the highest courts -- the federal courts?

Question 65

Bhagwan, what is the purpose of the commune? What is the goal of the commune?

Question 66

What do you think of historic figures in religion like Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha? What is your opinion of them?

Question 67

Bhagwan, what is the purpose of life?

Question 68

Is it possible for your views to be allowed just to exist in the world we live in, or will people always try to stop you.... Will you always have enemies?

Question 69

Do you think you will be seeing the press daily, or...?

Question 70

Do you think we treat you fairly?

Question 71

Is there anything you don't like to read about yourself or see....

Question 72

Do you think you may ever travel to your other communes around the country -- around the world again?

Question 73

Why did you choose Oregon?

Question 74

Well, I'm sure there are people that would say this high desert has never been put to better use.

Question 75

May I ask you how you spend your days? Do you meditate? I know you have discourses in the morning.

Question 76

Bhagwan, did you have teachers or have -- you have developed this on your own?

Question 77

Edited excerpt: 3min 08sec, a part of questions 77-81 **

Do you read a great deal, or not very much?

Question 78

You never put your thoughts on paper?

Question 78b

We live in the video age. You could make video cassettes.

Question 79

Will they be made available to the general public?

Question 80

So you are communicating other than just one on one or just to a group?

Question 81

But the video cassettes are, in a way, a book -- not a written word, but a record.

Question 82 : Scott Miller, NBC, Channel 8, Portland, Oregon

I've been a big fan of hot and cold showers myself for quite some time.

Question 83

We're an affiliate of NBC, and NBC has obtained, a copy of an interview with Ma Anand Sheela which is purported to be the first one since she left the Ranch a week and a half or so ago. I ask you to respond to a couple of the allegations that she's made in the interview. We can give your side as well. I understand you feel you're treated fairly.

Question 84

They're grown here?

Question 85

Sheela claims that there has been widespread use of narcotics among your sannyasins, drugs, specifically the drug ecstasy. And she goes on to charge that with your knowledge, sannyasins were induced to sign over money and belongings while under the influence of drugs.

Question 86

Which drug?

Question 87

Have you ever heard of your sannyasins being on any drug?

Question 88

Do you believe that she's done it to people?

Question 89

She says that you threw temper tantrums and would threaten to commit suicide if you were not given more Rolls Royces.

Question 90

Have you ever asked for a Rolls Royce?

Question 91

Did you ever throw temper tantrums then?

Question 92

Sheela says that she's afraid for her life right now. She's afraid for her life because she fears that you will have her killed. And she believes that you'll have her killed. How would you respond to that?

Question 93

How did she do that?

Question 94

This is Mr. Silverman?

Question 95

You didn't think of removing her when you first found about it? Didn't she run the affairs here for a long time after you heard such rumors of such a hideous act?

Question 96

How long ago did Sheela's first husband die?

Question 97

He had some form of cancer, but was he sick back east or...?

Question 98

Was he a sannyasin?

Question 99

And was this before the commune here was started?

Question 100

And at this time was Sheela involved with Jayananda?

Question 101

What happened to Veetrag?

Question 102

He's still alive?

Question 103

Was Sheela's first husband hospitalized in India?

Question 104

And he could get oxygen in the ashram?

(source:CD-ROM)

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