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Introduction

In Feb and Mar of 1980, Osho came out to see people in darshan as he usually did before and after this period but the record of these two months' worth of darshans has got scrambled in an unprecedented way in the CD-ROM, which is unfortunately the only record we have.

The two "books" involved are If You Choose to Be with Me, You Must Risk Finding Yourself and Fingers Pointing to the Moon, covering the darshans in Feb and Mar 1980 respectively. "Books" is in quote marks because they were never actually published; only edited transcripts are available, and those only in the CD-ROM. And they have been butchered.

A lot of information has been lost, and we don't even know how much. What has happened is that the CD-ROM's edited transcripts are associated with dates that cannot be possible, so actual dates have to be considered unknown. And how much the talks have been cut and edited is also unknown. The CD-ROM's date structure is specifically this:

All the sannyas talks given in Feb, for all 29 nights, have been put -- we have to assume arbitrarily -- into ten chapters. These ten chapters have been assigned dates by the CD-ROM, but most of these dates are wrong, though we can't know which ones are right and which wrong, or what correspondence there might be, if any.

The wiki has compiled lists of every name we could find in these two books but many more people were taking sannyas than the total of only 36 names for the whole month of Feb suggests. Our estimate for Feb is 213. The counts for the similarly afflicted Mar collection are 30 and 241. Where do these estimates come from?

There are some clues in the layout of Osho's words in the CD-ROM for these two months. Most paragraphs are separated only by a carriage return. Every so often (approx every 2-7 paragraphs), they are separated by more than that, by a line of space. At the same time as this extra separation occurs, Osho's words change direction, there is a different theme, a different message. This strongly suggests that the extra spaces demarcate one new sannyasin's words from the next. And in some of the chapters of Fingers, there are even more obvious demarcations, a few words in all-CAPS about the new name, followed by a few paragraphs.

These indications give us a strikingly different count, and a good estimate of how many names have been omitted. These spaces are not absolute guidelines, and in some cases, there seems to be a continuity in Osho's message before and after the space, and so the spaces in these cases have not been counted as separative.

The two tables below are what we know about who took sannyas when in these two months. The first is all the info we could wring out of the CD-ROM, the second such individual names and dates info that has trickled in. If you or a friend took sannyas in these two months, please write to let us know.

CD-ROM Chapters

Below are the names gathered from If You Choose and Fingers, with a count of the apparent number of people getting sannyas messages for each chapter. Old names or other identifying info, if available, are in parentheses.

If You Choose to Be with Me,
You Must Risk Finding Yourself
Fingers Pointing to the Moon
ch 1 -- 35
Denis
Barbara
Curtis
Malcolm
Andreas
Allen

ch 2 -- 27

Tanmaya
Samarpito
Jan
Stefano
Sw Deva Spider
Rudi
Martin
[a note that an interview with
Sw Bhakta is not included]

ch 3 -- 12

an elderly Dutchwoman
[a note that an interview with
Ma Satya Bharti is not included]

ch 4 -- 23

Jos
Ma Anand Adriana
Hardy

ch 5 -- 12

Florian
Kabira
Chinmayo
Paramhansa
[notes that p 178 is missing and
interviews with Ma Ananda Vandana
and Ma Anand Sarita are not included]

ch 6 -- 15

Daso
[notes that p 195 is missing and
interviews with Ma Anand Savita
and Ma Prem Divya are not included]

ch 7 -- 13

Anugito
Anandgit
Son Dra
[note that interviews with Swami Vedam (music)
and Ma Anand Gayan (dance) are not included]

ch 8 -- 26

Kent
Katja
[notes that p 241 is missing and an interview
with Ma Deva Tanmayo is not included]

ch 9 -- 23

(a person, which name means "a loving solitude,
a solitude full of love, and a love centred,
rooted in solitude")
John
Yashodhara

ch 10 -- 27

Terry
Monika
Vinod (a ten-year-old)
(a person, which name means: "through Latin
it means a queen, through the Teutonic
it means pure, purified, purity")
Brigitte
Dhyan Jules
ch 1 -- 49
Madhu
Rudi
Deva Avril
Sabine
Manfred
Govindo
Michel

ch 2 -- 20

Dipak
Ma Anand Teresita (Teresita)
Sw Deva Murad (Murad)
Donal

ch 3 -- 38

Barbara
(a person, which name means "singer")
Dionisio
Nartano (2)
Deva Sangit

ch 4 -- 46

(a five-year-old)
Sw Atmo Dieter
Bodhicharya
(an American)
Svarupo
Sw Buddha Hagen

ch 5 -- 26

Ester
Beatriz

ch 6 -- 28

Joke (pron Yo-ka)
Manuela
Gerald
Sw Samarpan Stephen

ch 7 -- 34

Ma Surrenda (Surrenda)
Sw Veet Sittich (Sittich)
Paula
Grace
Sw Kavyo (Ulrich)

Sannyas Dates

Osho's words to new sannyasins for these two months are possibly intact in the CD-ROM but their dates are completely unknown and even the names are mostly unknown. Hence the table below, with such info as we have gathered on an individual basis. If there's anything you can add, please let us know.

Date Name(s) CD-ROM "Book" and ch text key words / meaning
Feb 19 Ma Dhyan Amiyo (as Ma Dhyan Laurel) If You Choose ch 3 meditation, victory
Feb 19 Sw Dhyan Anakula (as Sw Dhyan Tony) If You Choose ch 3 meditation, praiseworthy