God Is Dead Now Zen Is ~ 04

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event type discourse & meditation
date & time 9 Feb 1989 pm
location Gautam the Buddha Auditorium, Pune
language English
audio Available, duration 2h 47min. Quality: good.
Osho leading meditation from 2:31:32.
Live music after the discourse.
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shorttitle GDEAD04
Reader of the sutra: Ma Prem Maneesha. Questions are being read by Osho himself.
After discourse Osho leads No-Mind Meditation.
The sutra
After Nangaku's comment about Sekito, he once more sent the attendant monk to Sekito to ask him a question. On arrival, the monk asked Sekito, "What is liberation?"
Sekito said, "Who bound you?"
The monk asked, "What is the pure land?"
Sekito responded, "Who made you dirty?"
The monk asked, "What is nirvana?"
"Who gave you birth and death?" Sekito replied.
The attendant monk came back to Nangaku and reported Sekito's answers. Nangaku put both hands together and made a gesture of touching his feet.
At that time, Kengo, Ran and Nangaku were thought to be the three masters in the country, and all three of them said, "From the stone-head comes the lion's roar to my ear."
The monk went back to Sekito and said that, if there were anything the monk could do for him, to let him know. A little later, the master, Nangaku, came with his monks to see Sekito. Sekito stood up to receive him, and the two greeted each other. Later, Nangaku had a temple built for Sekito's convenience.

Question 1
Is it not the same to call existence intelligent and loving as to call it god? It might not be the Christian concept of god but there are other pantheistic concepts which see god in everything.
Question 2
It is very easy for me to say, "Ah, I have not believed in God since I was a child, and even then I was not so sure." But this habit of the mind to try to turn the mysteries into superstitions is very deep-rooted and slippery. The other night when you were speaking I was reminded of the occasions when I have attributed these qualities of omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience to you; or when thoughts of your death have filled me with fear and dread much more than the loss of any god. It seems this disease of god is hiding deep in the bones and pops out like some obscene intruder when I least expect it and where I certainly don't want it.
Question 3
Yesterday I heard you saying that prayer is something directed towards the outside. What about gratefulness? I have the feeling that gratitude does not necessarily have an outer object. Also does gratitude happen only because of a declared or undeclared desire that is fulfilled?
Question 4
Our Beloved Master, Friedrich Nietzsche wrote of himself -- but I see his sentiments as being much more true of you:
"One day there will be associated with me a crisis like no other before on earth, of the profoundest collision of conscience, of a decision evoked against everything that until then had been believed in, demanded, sacrificed. It is my fate to know myself in opposition to the mendaciousness of millennia...."
"I am not a man, I am dynamite."
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