Talk:Aankhon Dekhi Sanch (आंखों देखी सांच)

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event audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com
1994 book edition (*1) 2017 book edition (*1) Shailendra's PDF (*2) Oshoganga (*3) Osho.com library OshoWorld e-book Dates & Places
Dharm Ki Yatra ~ 04 Dharam Ki Yatra #7
beginning incomplete, missing second half
Dharm Ki Yatra 4. सुख की कामना दुःख लती है (first part of audio) (*4)
beginning incomplete, missing second half
1. जीवन की खोज
  • 1. जीवन की खोज
    Ghatkopar, Bombay, 16 Apr 1966
  • Dharm Ki Yatra 4. सुख की कामना दुख लाती है
    beginning incomplete, missing second half
  • 1. जीवन की खोज
    Ghatkopar, Bombay, 16 Apr 1966
  • Dharm Aur Yatra 4. सुख की कामना दुख लाती है
    beginning incomplete, missing second half
1. जीवन की खोज (p.1-18)
Ghatkopar, Bombay, 16 Apr 1966
17 Apr 1966, Ghatkopar, Bombay (*5)
Swayam Ki Satta ~ 03 2. स्वयं की खोज 2. स्वयं की खोज 2. स्वयं की खोज Swayam Ki Satta 3. स्वयं की खोज
  • 2. स्वयं की खोज (p.18-40)
    Birla Kreeda Kendra, Chowpati, Bombay, 17 Apr 1966
  • 3. स्वयं की खोज (p.40-62)
    Birla Kreeda Kendra, Chowpati, Bombay, 17 Apr 1966
16 Apr 1966 pm, Birla Kreeda Kendra, Chowpatti, Bombay (*5)
Aankhon Dekhi Sanch ~ 01 1. छाया-जगत का बोध
"audio not available"
3. छाया-जगत् का बोध 1. छाया-जगत का बोध 3. छाया-जगत का बोध 3. छाया जगत का बोध
Birla Kendra, Mumbai, 15 Sep 1966 (*6)
1. छाया-जगत का बोध 10 Jun 1966 am, M.S. College, Poona
Aankhon Dekhi Sanch ~ 02 Swayam Ki Satta #3
intro: "a talk given at Poona, India"
  • 2. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति
  • Swayam Ki Satta 3. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति
2. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति Swayam Ki Satta 3. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति Swayam Ki Satta 3. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति 2. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति 10 Jun 1966 pm, M.S. College, Poona
Aankhon Dekhi Sanch ~ 03 3a. सत्य का बोध (before 39:26) (*7) (*8)
missing beginning (7,5 paragraphs)
4. सत्य का बोध 3. सत्य का बोध 4. सत्य का बोध 4. सत्य का बोध
Ferguson College, Poona, 12 Jun 1966
3. सत्य का बोध 4. सत्य का बोध (p.62-74)
M.S. College, Poona, 11 Jun 1966 am
11 Jun 1966 am, M.S. College, Poona
Aankhon Dekhi Sanch ~ 04 3b. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता (from 39:26) (*7)
available only beginning (~19 min)
6. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता 4. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता 6. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता 6. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता 4. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता 6. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता (p.86-102)
M.S. College, Poona, 12 Jun 1966 pm (*9)
12 Jun 1966 am, M.S. College, Poona
Aankhon Dekhi Sanch ~ 05 4. प्रश्न-शून्य चित्त
"audio not available"
5. प्रश्न-शून्य चित्त 5. प्रश्न-शून्य चित्त 5. प्रश्न-शून्य चित्त
incomplete?
5. प्रश्न-शून्य चित्त
incomplete?
5. प्रश्न-शून्य चित्त
incomplete? (missing at least last two paragraphs available in Shailendra's PDF)
5. प्रश्न-शून्य चित्त (p.74-86)
incomplete?
M.S. College, Poona, 12 Jun 1966 am (*9)
12 Jun 1966 pm, M.S. College, Poona
Aankhon Dekhi Sanch ~ 06 7. जीवन और धर्म 7. जीवन और धर्म 7. जीवन और धर्म
Ferguson College, Poona, 15 Sep 1966 am
7. जीवन और धर्म (p.102-123)
Ferguson College, Poona, 15 Sep 1966 am (*10)
15 Sep 1966 am, Fergusson College, Poona (*10)
Notes
(*1) Comparing of these editions based on their chapter titles only.
(*2) Info from from introduction: 7 talks: 16, 17 Apr, 11, 12 Jun and 19 Sep 1966.
(*3) Info from from introduction: 7 talks: 10, 11 Apr, 10, 11, 12 Jun and 19 Sep 1966.
(*4) This audio is selling on osho.com together with other audio. So they both have number 4 on the site.
(*5) Dates were swapped because ch.2 is continuation of two talks of Swayam Ki Satta (स्वयं की सत्ता) with dates 14 and 15 Apr 1966, see below.
(*6) Date is incorrect: Osho was in Poona at that time.
(*7) These two audios are joint to one audio and selling on osho.com as one, 3rd.
(*8) Noticed techtical problems of audio file: a) at 11:41 sound is lost for a few seconds and one sentence of text is missing, then sound returning; b) at 11:54 sound lost again but for 46 sec, text is missing during this gap.
(*9) Questions-answers talks were in the evenings, see details below.
(*10) Date from OW e-book looks correct as it first talk at Fergusson College and found relation with Dharm Ki Yatra ~ 09. It means "19 Sep" stated in Footnotes (*2) and (*3) is incorrect.

Deliberations

AankhonFeet.jpg

Source of all the information for this book is the e-book found at Osho World. How the title is supposed to be actually written is the main concern of the natterings mentioned. In all of OW's Hindi e-books, the Devanagari form of the title appears at the top of every page. Here, it is mysteriously a little above the top, so that only the bottoms of some of the letters can be seen (img above right), protruding below the line which separates the pages. Therefore, some guessing is involved, but there is a decent chance it is close. And -- one important aspect -- even this tiny glimpse of the letters' feet at least verifies that Aankhon Dekhi Sanch is the whole title, something you can't always count on when going from the OW menu to the actual pdf, since they not infrequently use short versions of titles there.

About the details of the Devanagari rendering, we are most concerned about Aankhon. G**gle Translate suggests आँखों for that. We have used आंखों (close) since it more closely resembles the आंखन in Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi (मैं कहता आंखन देखी). Only at the end of the word is there a difference (and that's another story) but in the root they align. And that candrabindu diacritic (the mark over आँ) is very uncommon all-round and आंखों finds it in searches so it looks to be preferred.

Why is the Aankhon/आंखों in this title different from the Aankhan/आंखन in MKAD? They both mean the same, and combined with Dekhi, "Eyes Have Seen." But it seems that will have to remain a mystery.

Meanwhile, the TOC: Page numbers are those in the e-book where the data were found. No actual chapter numbers were there but have been inserted here.

1. जीवन की खोज -- Ghatkopar, Mumbai 16 Apr 1966 (p 18)
2. स्वयं की खोज -- Birla Kreeda Kendra, Chowpati, Mumbai 17 Apr 1966 (p 40)
?. [same title] -- same place and date, identical text where sampled, looks like a repeat of previous chapter, even the same length (p 62)
3. सत्य काबोध -- SS College, Pune 11 Jun 1966 subah (p 74)
4. प्रशन-शुन्य चित्त -- SS College, Pune 12 Jun 1966 subah (p 86) (Prashan unable to be replicated completely, current fashion has the vertical bar in श, pdf does not)
5. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता -- SS College, Pune 12 Jun 1966 shama (p 102)
6. जीवन और धर्म -- Ferguson College, Pune 15 Sep 1966 subah (p 123)
Above "SS College" should be "MS College" according to e-book. 'm' and 's' in devanagari are close to each other so it is easy be confused.--DhyanAntar 08:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Mid-2018 update

Osho's brother Shailendra has answered some of the questions about this book and served up some new information as well:

Shailendra's TOC:
1. जीवन की खोज
2. स्वयं की खोज
3. छाया-जगत का बोध
4. सत्य का बोध
5. प्रश्न-शून्य चित्त
6. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता
7. जीवन और धर्म
OMI's TOC:
 
 
1. छाया-जगत का बोध
2. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति
3. सत्य का बोध
4. स्वतंत्रता, सरलता, शून्यता
5. प्रश्न-शून्य चित्त

A few things can be noticed about Shailendra's TOC. All the titles correspond to titles in the e-book except ch 3, and its insertion has pushed the e-book's last four chapters back one. In fact, the numbering of those chapters was not in the e-book but an organizational convenience inserted by yr wiki editor, and, had he been alert, he might have numbered them as in the new TOC above. For detail aficionados, it can be noted that the last "word" of ch 3 (now 4) has been split in two, to what it should have been, and Shailendra has managed to get the vertical bar out of the प्रश्न in ch 4 (now 5).

The second TOC has been added from OMI's 2017 book, cross-referenced with their audiobook offering at o.com (there is a small difference between them in the last chapter, चित्त vs चित). Note a different order in a couple of cases, and OMI's ch 2 is not anywhere in Shailendra's.
OMI's mention of the book on its site was hard to find, given that they have taken to spelling "Aankhon" "Aakhon" and their ISBN is completely not to be found, except on their own hard-to-find site.One more sign of could-not-care-lessness, at least regarding this book, is their spelling on the back cover, "Aankho" and then in the pub info page, "Ankhon". Three different ways to spell "Aankhon" wrong! Perhaps these are not errors but an exercise in totality. -- doofus-9 23:04, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Shailendra has also supplied a quote from Dariya, which is the source of the title, not only of this book, but of one of Osho's other books:

कानों सुनी सो झूठ सब, आंखों देखी सांच। (this book)
दरिया देखे जानिये, यह कंचन यह कांच।

This translates roughly as "Whatever is heard through ears, is false; whatever is seen by your own eyes is true. Dariya says to see for yourself, what is gold (valuable) and what is glass (valueless).

And about the Aankhon / Aankhan question, he says, "Both mean the same. More than a dozen dialects of Hindi exist today, with small changes in spellings and pronunciations of the same words. Since, Nanak, Kabir and Dariya ... In the past 700 years much vocabulary has changed. आंखन (Aankhan) is no more in current use. Kabir was uneducated, he did not care about language and grammar, many times he made up his own words suitable for singing." -- doofus-9 07:35, 30 June 2018 (UTC)


What is that picture "AankhonFeet.jpg" on top of this page? I see just a bar over some Hindi text, hardly visible. --Sugit (talk) 09:21, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Oct 2019 update

Shailendra's TOC above has been confirmed by the 1994 Sadhna edition, as has the quote he refers to, found on the title page. About the year of the edition, it is stated that the earlier (≤1989) edition may be the same. This is based on a common Indian publisher's strategy of calling a reprinting a new edition, this practice having something to do with Indian tax laws.

And about the question above, asking about the "AankhonFeet.jpg on top of this page", the accompanying text explains the story, perhaps inadequately ... -- doofus-9 07:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


Osho.com library: "Five OSHO Talks given under the series of questions and answers in Pune on various aspects of life". Year in Copyrights 1966.


Name, roman spelling
on osho.com the audios are called "Ankhon Dekhi Sanch". It that a reason to reconsider the roman spelling that we use? --Sugit (talk) 11:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Chapter 1 of Shailendra's PDF matches to Dharm Ki Yatra (धर्म की यात्रा) ch.4 of osho.com audios and Dharm Ki Yatra #7 of OW audio. As it published as Aankhon i chose to keep this title.--DhyanAntar 06:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Plans changed as that talk is not part of main fiver of talks in Poona.--DhyanAntar 17:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Extracts from Shailendra's PDF (all chapter numbers belong to Shailendra's PDF numbers if there is stated others):

ch.2: last talk on 3rd day. Starts by "In the last two days, I have told you some things about myself. On the first day I told you, we do not even remember that we are. We are not even aware of our power. And whoever does not know this is, if there is not even a sense of his life, his future and his achievements that I am, what else can happen in life? Then there can be no growth and development in life. The first thing would be to know that I am. And I told you, it is very surprising that we do not even remember it. Life passes and we don't even know we were.... There is some sun within us - our haunting. Eyes have to be raised on his side. But the first thing would be to know that we are. In that regard, I spoke to you on the first day. (It looks as reference to Swayam Ki Satta (स्वयं की सत्ता) ch.1 of Shailendra's PDF.) The other day I talked about who we are, we should find it. (Reference to ch.2 of Swayam Ki Satta of Sh.PDF.) How to find So I told you, respectively, knowing that we are not, we will move towards who we are. If we know right away that it is not me, I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am not the thought, then gradually we will go towards who we are."
"Today I will talk about how the field of the mind becomes fertile. I talked to you about the seed, talked about the desire to sow the seed, but if I do not talk about the separate field, then it will be incomplete. Today I would like to talk to you in which field these seeds can be sown? What should be the mind, then this achievement can happen. What should be the mind, what should be the role of the mind, of course it becomes very simple."
In the end: "In order to get this truth, I told you a few things in these three days. Look at those things somewhere, and raise your eyes on the gesture..."
ch.3: first talk of 3-day session. "The shadow of that person was lost, and the soul of all of us is lost. Our shadow is formed - if we say properly, only our shadow is formed and there is nothing inside us. We walk, get up, work, live, and this whole undertaking of a shadow is no more meaningful than a shadow. We do not experience any essence or any substantial soul within it nor does it result in our life. And neither does our light spread in our lives. Shadow has a life. We will consider the life of this shadow here in these three days and we will also consider it, we will also consider how the life of the shadow can be transformed into the life of the soul? We will think about this shadow life, this shadow life, how it can be changed into real and spiritual life."
"There are only two types of people - one who takes the boats forward, and one who considers the truth of the sinking or crossing of the boats. These are some of the initial things I am telling you today. In the next two days, we will be able to think deeply about it. Today I want to take such a thought that you can experience the life of shadow within yourself, to see what shadow life is in my life."
in the end: "There is nothing bigger than this in life that we should be able to see the shadow and the line separating the soul. One who is able to see the shadow and the line separating the soul, is opened by the innovation of luck in his life. There are a few primary things to identify that line. We will discuss them in two days and we will discuss whatever you feel like asking in it."
ch.4: starts by: "I thought a little about the truth yesterday. I told you, what we consider to be life, to be life, is a life of shadow rather than real. (Reference to ch.3.) And what will be the achievement of the person who chases the shadow? The first thing is that no matter how much we chase the shadow, we will never be able to catch it. It is impossible that we catch the shadow. And even if we catch the shadow, what will happen in our fists, what will we have?
This is the life of the shadow, this is the shadow exit, if we wake up to it, and it can come to our realization that what is destiny and what is essence, what is real and what is imaginary, what is dream and what is truth. So inauguration of a new direction begins in life. We thought a little bit about that.
Today I would like to talk to you in this regard, this is the life of the shadow, this which is the life of the dream, this which is the unreal, this which is the destiny, on what grounds does it stand? On which routes of the mind, on which vrits of the mind is it standing? Because whether we dream and awake, our mind is creating, creating something in both the situations. The reality or imaginary of our life depends on the creation of our mind. Our mind is our world in the deepest, our mind is our world, mind is our being. It is necessary to know, recognize this mind. Only then will we be able to understand the life of this shadow. I told you a few points, today I would like to consider you on the whole basis of them. What is it that makes us dream? What motivates us to grow?"
"There are mostly two types of people in the whole world, there are two types of states of mind - either philanthropists, or renunciates. In my view, both are sick, both are ill. A healthy person is neither a philanthropist nor a renunciant. A healthy person neither suffers from this idea, lust that if I get less money or fame, I will get something, nor suffer from other lust that if I leave them, I will get something. He begins to experience a new and third point. His awakening to a third truth separate from both renunciation and enjoyment begins. I will discuss with you tomorrow about that third truth. Today I would like to say something more clearly to you regarding these two extras."
"Yesterday I said a little at night about this, that the love of love will be false, acting will be done. (Reference to ch3?) Attempted modesty will also be false. The attempted renunciation will also be false. And then this sacrifice will also be a hidden form of lust and this devil will catch it from behind. Still the fight was easy to catch from the front. The fight will become very difficult and difficult to catch from behind. That is why all those who are renounced are familiar with the so-called renunciation, all those people keep on wishing for the sacrifice in the reward of that sacrifice."
in the end: "To find is who we are. Neither to seek anything else nor to abandon anything else. Neither have to go backwards or run away from anything else. Finding is the one who is within all this search, the one who is searching, the one who is searching for everything. One who is seeking renunciation, seeking indulgence, has to find it. The one who seeks him is freed from the life of the shadow and enters in the direction of real life. How will we be able to find the one who is behind all the search, in relation to that we will discuss tomorrow morning." (Reference to ch.6)
ch.5: last talk on 3rd day, q/a. "The suffering of life, the crisis of life, which is a saint, it is not finished by mere intellectual thoughts like this. Then there are many similar questions, I do not consider them to be questions of life, they are our intellectual itch. As it becomes empty, it seems to get a lot of pleasure from scratching, but later it turns out, the pleasure of itching was not beneficial. The wounds have grown from that. In the same way, intellect takes pleasure in uncovering many things. It is like scratching the diet, it is very sick, it does not have much meaning. It means to identify, to identify the problems of life. To identify and identify the exact problem. If you catch that problem, then understand, half the solution is done. Getting the right problem, diagnosing the right disease is half the therapy. Perhaps more than half is medical. So on those who know the questions of life, I will tell you a little thing on the last day."
"In these three days I discussed about Badal. The one who is destitute, the one who is the life of the shadow, the one who is the cloud and the one who is vital, the one who is the basic, the one who is eternal, the eternal, he is the sky. He is the door to real nectar, to life, to truth. There is a possibility of each, present within each."
ch.6: talk of 3-day session. Starts by "I have spoken to you a little in two days yesterday. On the first day - a man's life can be destroyed in a bed, in a shadow in a dream; More people are destroyed. (Reference to ch.3 ?) You had some thoughts in that regard. On the second day - Which life is the life of shadow and life, of lust, of craving, of race for something, in relation to that, we thought about that basis. (Reference to ch.4.) Today I would like to tell you, through which path, through which revolution our consciousness stream running towards the lifeless life can be oriented towards meaningful, truth and all."
"Light is such a fill. The building is also empty and filled. Life can also be filled with light. How? In these two days, I have talked a little bit about the role. Today I will ask you, how can life be filled with light? What is a wick? What is oil? What is given and how can it be lit? Everything exists within humans."
"I have done many things in these three days, I have done many injuries, only with the idea that if you know your chains, there is a feeling of breaking them..."
ends by "A few things are related to you in these three days. Heard him with so much love, I am very grateful..."
ch.7: first talk of 2-day sesssion. "We are all surrounded by strife and so I think I should talk to you a little about the end discord, I should talk a little bit about the solution to get rid of it. I will only talk about it in these two days."
"Sit in a little seclusion, look at your mind, is your mind duality and if it is duality then you are enemy of your mind and your mind will gradually grow old, grow stronger, break down. Then how will you go to the gate of God with such a mind? This mind will keep you very low. Why is this state of mind? What is the reason for this conflict? What is the basic basis behind this duality? What is the reason that we are born in duality and end in duality? There is some reason. First thing - and let us look at these reasons properly. Today I will only discuss these reasons and tomorrow to be free from them."

Chapter 2 is continuation of first two chapters of Swayam Ki Satta (स्वयं की सत्ता). It looks as talk on 3rd day. But then its date should be 16 Apr. Other explanation of incorrecteness of first two talks of Swayam (15-16 Apr instead current 14-15) is not right as Osho arrived in Bombay on 14 Apr in afternoon according to Letter written on 13 Apr 1966 and Swayam ch.1 is first talk of series, for sure it could be on day of arriving. Osho.com library also put this chapter (ch.2) to Swayam series as third talk.

Chapters 5 and 6 should be swapped for chronological purpose. Letter written on 24 May 1966 (Manik) give clue: lectures are in the mornings, q/a - in the evenings on 10-12 Jun 1966.--DhyanAntar 17:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)