Talk:Aath Pahar Youn Jhumte (आठ पहर यूं झूमते)

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Source of all the information for this book is the e-book found at Osho World. The main item of puzzlement, about which these mutterings are written, is the multiplicity of forms of the title, particularly the third word. "यूं" is how it appears in the e-book and "Youn" in the labeling of the e-book. Now, यूं "should" be transliterated as yun, but neither form is recognised by G**gle Translate as a word. When Youn is fed into it, they suggest यौन, and translate that as "sex," which form we have seen in Yuvak Aur Yaun (युवक और यौन), or "Youth and Sex." This does not exhaust the variety of forms of this word that are seen just in connection with this one never-published book. There are in all, youn, yun, yu, यूं, यूँ, यों and यौन. Yawn?

Besides curiosity, the reason for the digging into this is the meaning G**gle gave the title, "Eight O'Clock Sex Swings," which seemed fairly bizarre and unlikely, but i was unable to come up with anything more likely. And would that be am or pm? -- doofus-9 23:52, 16 December 2014 (PST)

Title means "We celebrate all those 8 times". There are 8 important times (आठ पहर) in a day in India.--DhyanAntar 13:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

A decent amount of date and place info was given, at the end of apparent chapters, with little or no space before the next chapter titles. Page numbers are those in the e-book of OW where the data were found. No actual chapter numbers were included but have been inserted by me.

Ch.nb Ch. title Event Notes
1 सत्य की झलक Amrit Varsha ~ 06 Poona 1965 (p 15): it can be event on "3 Sep 1967 am, Poona" **
2 [no title]
आकाश का आनंद (title of ch.8 of Dukh Ke Paar (दुख के पार))
Aath Pahar Youn Jhumte ~ 02 Lions Club Poona 4 Dec 66 (p 30)
3 तुम भी परमात्मा हो Satya Ki Pyas ~ 01 Kavasaji Jahangir Hall, Bombay 14 Nov 1965 pm (p 49)
4 मौन द्वार Satya Ki Pyas ~ 02 Blavatsky Lodge, Bombay 15 Nov 1965 am (p 64) . . . . . . . . . . . ** re the two underlines
5 बूंद में सागर Satya Ki Pyas ~ 03 Sarla Sarjan HS, Vile Parle, Bombay 15 Nov 1965 pm (p 78) . . . . see Historical note below
6 अजन्मा संगीत Samadhi Ke Dwar Par ~ 05 (on OW it's audio Samadhi Ke Dwar Par #2; on as Samadhi Ke Dwar Par 5. मन की मृत्यु ही समाधि है; Shailendra's PDF "Samadhi Ke Dwar Par" ch.2 समाधि के तीन चरण) 21 Mar 40 [sic], Poona (p 88). Actual date of the event is 23 Feb 1970 pm. (Place is correct.)
7 एकाकी भाव Samadhi Ke Dwar Par ~ 03 (on OW it's audio Samadhi Ke Dwar Par #4; on as Samadhi Ke Dwar Par #2. समाधि के तीन चरण; Shailendra's PDF "Samadhi Ke Dwar Par" ch.4 एकाकीपन का बोध) 22 Mar 1970 Poona (p 98). Actual date of the event is 22 Feb 1970 pm. (Place is correct.)

Dates updated according new info from Talk:Satya Ki Pyas (सत्य की प्यास).

All chapter titles are the the same as in Dukh Ke Paar except for ch.2 About the strange date offered for ch 6, it seems reasonable to understand it as a simple typo, a 7 replaced by a 4, one key away on the numeric keypad. -- doofus-9 (talk) 23:52, 16 December 2014 (PST)

Dates conflict for ch 6 & 7

And an update: The dates for ch 6 & 7 are in conflict with dates for another event in Ludhiana given by Ageh Bharti cited in Neeten's Osho Source Book (Jabalpur section). -- doofus-9 20:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Update: New info now tipping the balance in favour of Ludhiana regarding the dates (Mar 21 and 22 1970) for ch 6 & 7. See Talk:Meditation Camps#Mar 1970 Ludhiana. The e-book's dates for at least those two chapters are looking increasingly unreliable. And in any case, Aath Pahar is looking like a compilation, inherently less essential. doofus-9 04:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

As you removed from Osho Timeline 1970 ~ 06th and 7th events, i will blank them in order admin to delete them.

The question arises: is this indeed the compilation as Shifting content source doc says and all chapters published and ARE other events of wiki? If it will be confirmed, we will need to remove the rest chapters of the series.--DhyanAntar 17:39, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, some confirmation will be needed to remove other chapters. Here the need was greater and the confirmation in the growing collection of opposing info.

Clues why we used 21-24 dates of Samadhi see in Talk:Samadhi Ke Dwar Par (समाधि के द्वार पर).--DhyanAntar 12:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Historical note

"Blavatsky Lodge", the venue for talk #4, is a correction in 2019 based on info in Talk:Satya Ki Pyas (सत्य की प्यास). In the e-book, it was "Belesti Lodge". That term can hardly be found anywhere, most prominent hit being Sannyas Wiki. So it has been retired in favour of Blavatsy Lodge, a well-known building in Mumbai. And "Sarla Sarjan", a now-defunct high school in Vile Parle, was added based on the same source. -- doofus-9 18:48, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Other matters

Somewhat conflicting new info from an email from Sandeep V: "As per my info Osho's 3-day lecture series at Puna in 1965 delivered at Lions Club International's program is available in the name of book "Aarh Pahar Youn Jhumate" in Hindi."

I have rechecked the info from OW's e-book and it remains the same, with one minor correction in a chapter title. So all this, including the e-book, can be in the fwiw category. -- doofus-9 17:26, 8 December 2018 (UTC)