Talk:Abhinava Sannyasa (અભિનવ સંન્યાસ)
Notes
- The booklet is Gujarati translation of Hindi discourse: नव संन्यास क्या? (प्रवचन-01). Please verify that I have correctly listed it. I have added it according to Talk:Nav-Sannyas Kya? (नव-संन्यास क्या?) table.
- I have 2nd edition published in Dec 1970. So first edition must be published between Sep-Dec 1970. The discourse was delivered at Manali in Sep 1970.
- Does this booklet qualify for first edition series? It was first published between in Sep-Dec 1970. Dhyan Va Nav-Sannyas (ध्यान व नव-संन्यास) (published 1971-1972) has a ch. 7 as discourse and other chapters as letters. Krishna: Meri Drishti Mein (कृष्ण : मेरी दृष्टि में)(first published 1971-1972) Dec 1978 ed has appendix ch.22. When was this discourse first published?
- For sake of avoiding confusion, I have listed it as a translation of Nav-Sannyas Kya? (नव-संन्यास क्या?), October 1972 ed., ch.1 while the discourse is already published before in Dhyan Va Nav-Sannyas (ध्यान व नव-संन्यास) (published 1971-1972) ch. 7. Please change if appropriate.
- For note: Dhyan Va Nav-Sannyas (ध्यान व नव-संन्यास) and Abhinava Sannyasa (અભિનવ સંન્યાસ) both are published from Visvanid, Ajol (GJ). Published by Ma Yoga Nivedita and Ma Anand Madhu respectively. -Nizil (talk) 07:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Please delete File:Abhinava Sannyasa cover - Gujarati.jpg. Copy of Title page.-Nizil (talk) 08:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Seems all ok. But it is worth to state/underline that original Hindi talk was published later (i added a note on it).
Tables of comparison as you see in Talk:Nav-Sannyas Kya? (नव-संन्यास क्या?) made by me: i compared texts of different sources. Where comparison made only by titles - it is noted. Use them please as main our research tool, text of talks from Shailendra's collection (i shared it with you recently) is our main database of Hindi talks: it was checked with audio and some book editions that available for us. I checked beginning and end of talks only.
The current discourse has been first published in Hindi in Nav-Sannyas Kya? in Oct 1972 as far as i know. No evidence that it was published in Krishna: Meri Drishti Mein (कृष्ण : मेरी दृष्टि में) in 1971~72 because its later edition (1974) has no this talk. First published book can be found on event page of the talk, i.e. Krishna Meri Drishti Mein ~ 22. We put the event into Krishna Meri Drishti Mein series as it is part of Manali camp, i.e. that series.
About Dhyan Va Nav-Sannyas. Well, as date of it is uncertain i preffered to use Nav-Sannyas Kya? as first published book. I can be wrong and it need more light about date of Dhyan Va Nav-Sannyas. I think it is ok to use Dhyan Va Nav-Sannyas and/or Nav-Sannyas Kya? as source of translation. It is myracle for me why much talks (well, for this case it is shortened version) were published in Hindi a little later than Gujarati translations/transcripts. Gujarati sannyasins were more active?! :-)
If i missed something, then don't shy to ask. 'glad to help in any time.--DhyanAntar 15:54, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Dhyan. Many early followers/Sannyasins of Osho were Gujarati people either living in Bombay, Gujarat or elsewhere. Many JJK members and administrators were Gujaratis. See talkpage of JJK for "-bhai" (literally brother) which is very common honorific affixed after given name by Gujarati people. "-ben" (lit. sister) is also common. Many of Osho's early patrons were Gujaratis (particularly Jain community). You can see that Osho's early camps and discourses are concentrated in Gujarat and Bombay. So I believe that many of his talks were first published in Gujarati before Hindi due to that. I found that especially talks delivered in Gujarat are translated in Gujarati more quickly. (Note:I am Gujarati and Jain). Regards,-Nizil (talk) 08:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
