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Remarks:
Remarks:
:(*1) Although Osho.com site gives the title अपने अज्ञान का अस्वीकार, audio title for this file has name Apne Agyan Ka '''Sweekar''', - the same as for Shailendra's e-book Sweekar ("accept").
:(*1) Although Osho.com site gives the title as अपने अज्ञान का अस्वीकार, Apne Agyan Ka '''Asweekar''', the title for their 2010 version of the audio file has it as Apne Agyan Ka '''Sweekar''', - the same as in Shailendra's e-book. (Sweekar = "accept".) Whether "Asweekar" is a mistake or an intended correction remains to be seen. "Asweekar" is basically the negation / opposite of "Sweekar".





Revision as of 19:38, 27 April 2020

Current Understanding

event
(plus alt-titles)
audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com
Shailendra's e-book Dates,
(source Jagdish Bharti)
Amrit Varsha ~ 01 #1 1. सत्य का दर्शन -- 69 min 1. सत्य का दर्शन 3.9.76 Poona ['76' - a typo of 67?]
Amrit Varsha ~ 02 #2 2. शून्य का संगीत -- 70 min 2. शून्य का संगीत 4.9.67 Poona
Amrit Varsha ~ 03 #4 3. सत्य की भूमि -- 57 min 3. सत्य की भूमि 19.6.65 Ahinsa Hall Bombay
Amrit Varsha ~ 04 #5 4. जागरण का आनंद -- 62 min 4. जागरण का आनंद 20.6.65 Sunderban Hall Bombay
Amrit Varsha ~ 05 #3 5. धर्म की यात्रा -- 49 min 5. धर्म की यात्रा 17.9.67 Balasinor Kandivali Bombay
Amrit Varsha ~ 06
Aath Pahar Youn Jhumte ~ 01
Jeevan Ki Kala ~ 03
Agyat Ki Or ~ 06
- 6. अपने अज्ञान का अस्वीकार (*1) -- 57 min,
missing first 6 words
6. अपने अज्ञान का स्वीकार
missing first 6 words
17.9.67 Balasinor Kandivali Bombay [accidental copy from previous date?].
Aath Pahar Youn Jhumte ~ 01 has: 1965, Lions Club International, Poona

Remarks:

(*1) Although Osho.com site gives the title as अपने अज्ञान का अस्वीकार, Apne Agyan Ka Asweekar, the title for their 2010 version of the audio file has it as Apne Agyan Ka Sweekar, - the same as in Shailendra's e-book. (Sweekar = "accept".) Whether "Asweekar" is a mistake or an intended correction remains to be seen. "Asweekar" is basically the negation / opposite of "Sweekar".



This book, Varsha, is in some ways a companion volume to Amrit Dwar (अमृत द्वार), both being six-discourse collections of Osho's responses to seekers' questions in Pune and Mumbai. Drawing on that similarity, it may be reasonable to suppose that the talks were given, like Dwar's, in the late 60s, though in this case we have no e-book to validate that. There IS a Varsha e-book among those listed in Osho World's collection, but it is not available.

Varsha demonstrates a curious flip-side compared to Dwar in regard to audio availability. Where Dwar's audiobook version has one less track than the free download versions -- the much more common discrepancy -- Varsha's audiobook version has one more, with the freebie sites offering only five. It is not out of the question that the extra discourse in the six-track audiobook collection is a kind of mistake, but it may also be "just" a Mystery. -- Sarlo (talk) 11:25, 17 June 2014 (PDT)


Most of date missing in Timeline.--DhyanAntar 16:01, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


Yes, so it's time to put them IN the Timeline. Observations in square brackets above look reasonable. There is an alternative possibility for #6, which is that it was a separate discourse in the same venue but pm after an am talk. This is also reasonable but there are other indications: two sources have Varsha #6 the same as a talk from other books. Shifting content in Hindi books (source document) has it the same as both Aath Pahar Youn Jhumte (आठ पहर यूं झूमते) #1 and Jeevan Ki Kala (जीवन की कला) #3; and Talk:Agyat Ki Or (अज्ञात की ओर) has it the same as Agyat #6 and JKK #3. So we can leave it out for now. -- doofus-9 01:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

On second thought, the Timeline is a bit crowded around Jun 19-20 1965 in Mumbai, and 1965 is not very crowded in general. There are already two talks on the 18th and two more on the 19th from Amrit Ki Disha (अमृत की दिशा). A third on the 19th would not be impossible but i don't feel to strain against what's already there. It too is uncertain, and sourced to Jagdish, but enough of this for today. (There's also another talk on the 20th in Mumbai that two different sources agree is from another series that Jagdish puts in Punjab, though without a date, but that's another story.) -- doofus-9 05:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)