Talk:Antar Ki Khoj (अंतर की खोज)

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event audio,
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Osho.com
e-book,
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Shailendra's e-book Dates & Places
Anand Ki Khoj ~ 01 #1 Anand Ki Khoj 1. शब्दों से मुक्त हो जाएं ch 1 Anand Ki Khoj 1. शब्दों से मुक्त हो जाएं ≤ 1971, Surat ?
Anand Ki Khoj ~ 02 #2 Anand Ki Khoj 2. जीवंत शांति शक्तिशाली है ch 2 Anand Ki Khoj 2. जीवंत शांति शक्तिशाली है ≤ 1971, Surat ?
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 03 #3 1. क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं? ch 3 1. क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं? 28 Jun 1967 am, Naginchand, Surat
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 04 #4 2. धर्म भय पर खड़ा नहीं हो सकता ch 4 2. धर्म भय पर खड़ा नहीं हो सकता 28 Jun 1967 pm, Theosophical Society, Surat (4)
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 05 #5 3. विश्वास, श्रद्धा और विचार ch 5 3. विश्वास, श्रद्धा और विचार 29 Jun 1967 am, Theosophical Society, Surat (*5)
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 06 #6 4. वस्त्र आपकी पहचान तो नहीं? ch 6 4. वस्त्र आपकी पहचान तो नहीं? 30 Jun 1967 am, Theosophical Society, Surat (*5)
Satya Ka Darshan ~ 05 #7 Satya Ka Darshan 5. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र
(on 27 Apr 2020) (*1)
ch 7 Satya Ka Darshan 6. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र 7 Sep 1967 am, HK Arts College, Ahmedabad
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 08 #8 Jeevan Ki Kala 2. दृष्टि का परिवर्तन ch 8 Jeevan Ki Kala 2. दृष्टि का परिवर्तन ≤ 1971, Surat ?
Anand Ki Khoj ~ 03 #9 Anand Ki Khoj 3. विश्वास सबसे बड़ा बंधन ch 9 Anand Ki Khoj 3. विश्वास--सबसे बड़ा बंधन 26 Aug 1968 am, HK Arts College, Ahmedabad (*2)
Anand Ki Khoj ~ 04 #10 Anand Ki Khoj 4. आदर्शों को मत थोपें ch 10 Anand Ki Khoj 4. आदर्शों को मत थोपें 26 Aug 1968 pm, Ahmedabad (*3)
Remarks
(*1) In the 2010 osho.com collection (Khajana collection) this audio was listed as #6 (of 6).
(*2) Source of date is Jagdish, see Talk:Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र).
(*3) Source of date found in relation of text of chapters, see Talk:Anand Ki Khoj (आनंद की खोज).
(*4) Sources of the place: Jyoti Shikha (ज्योति शिखा), issue 6, Sep 1967, p.100 and Manuscripts ~ Reports, sheet B-8R
(*5) Source Osho's Appointment Diary 1967-1970 (translated source document) gives the venue 'Theosophical Society' for two morning talks.


Delibarations

As free downloads, all ten audios are available in a number of places, but audiobooks for sale are offered only by Osho World and osho.com, and those both have only these four discourses:

प्रवचन (TOC):
1. क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं?
2. धर्म भय पर खड़ा नहीं हो सकता
3. विश्वास, श्रद्धा और विचार
4. वस्त्र आपकी पहचान तो नहीं?

The bumpf from OW indicates the four talks were given in Surat. The other six? ¿Quien sabe? E-book has no further data but is long and complete, ie ten discourses. -- Sarlo (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2014 (PDT)


Antar Ki Khoj 1-4 D&P.jpg

Dates and Places info from Jagdish is a bit crowded with info on another series, Talk:Agyat Ki Or (अज्ञात की ओर), but doable. So be it.

1. 28 Jun 1967 am Naginchand, Surat
2. 28 Jun 1967 pm
3. 29 Jun 1967 am
4. 30 Jun 1967 am

All presumed to be in Surat, especially since the bumpf has four talks there and Agyat's talk is. -- doofus-9 06:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

To be perfectly clear, the "other series", Agyat, has only one talk at present in this time frame, and it fits decently, without a struggle, on 29 Jun 1967 pm. We now also have partial info from Manuscripts ~ Reports Timeline Extraction#B Sheets (B-1 to B-13V) indicating at least three talks in Surat 28-30 Jun (without specifying titles). It looks like four talks in Surat is pretty believable. About the ten talks, it is certainly more complicated and messier, but there is a source ... See below for more. -- doofus-9 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Shifting content in Hindi books (source document) has a good account of the 4/10 discrepancy in this funny series, how each of its chapters are connected to other books. It seems reasonable to accept that the four chapters which remain in Antar are the four above given in Surat, and the others ...

Anand Ki Khoj is mentioned above. Its four chapters are linked in "Shifting content" to the four mentioned of Antar's chapters. And Antar's ch 7 is the same as Satya ch 6, leaving only Antar ch 8, which is the same as Jeevan Ki Kala (जीवन की कला) ch 2, which is available in audio at osho.com. -- doofus-9 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


Source of date for 7th event is Satya Ka Darshan ch 6.

No text matching with 5-ch version of Agyat Ki Or.--DhyanAntar 08:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

analysis of audio and text

Dilip Sodha has made an extensive comparison and analysis of the available audio and texts.

Series: Antar Ki Khoj (अंतर की खोज) (Search of the Heart / Soul)

OshoWorld audio Shailendra's PDF Dates & Places (*1) Observations (Analysis of Audio and PDF Text) Findings
AKK #03 1. क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं? (Whether your doors are opened?) 28 Jun 1967 am, Naginchand, Surat 00::00:00 Discourse starts: "With a small story, I would start these upcoming discussions (talks) of three days. One evening in a capital, great preparations were being made for a reception. Whole of the town was decorated with the lamps. There was a huge crowd on the roads and the state emporor himself was standing outside the town in anticipation of a sannyasi. (.) .......(.) I also want to start the upcoming talks of these three days with this story because, I would also love to present a very small mirror to you during these three days; in which you can see yourself. The people who become capable of seeing oneself would achieve the life - meaning and bliss of the life - signification and truth of the life. (.) ...... (.) I would call only that process a mirror in which you can see yourself and that (thing) for which there is no death, ... (.) Some basic mistake has happened with man because of which only few people may come out of it, ... rest all the people live in hope, ... live in dreams - they don't come to face the truth.... I will discuss about those basic mistakes this morning and afterwards about becoming free of them. (.) ... (.) That 1st mistake has been done is that - in 5 thousand years we have taught man of trust and belief here, and not conscience and thought. (.) .... The man who believes ... all searches end within him, ... all his curiosities die. (.) ... (.) Faith is the greatest irreligious quality. Faith is the first sutra that binds and blinds the personality of a man...... And it is dangerous to believe anything in the state of not knowing - because of the faith this illusion is created, not knowing an illusion is created that I know." {Osho illustrates by telling a story about his visit to an orphanage.} (.) ".... There is something different from both trust and no-trust, .... That is conscience (विवेक - vivek); ... That is, mind being open, openness. .... But that man is religious who says, whatever be the truth, I am always ready to find it, my doors are open. (.) Whether your doors are opened? If your doors are open then you may get that mirror in which you can know yourself and the truth. (.) .... {Osho illustrates by telling a story of a negro who wants meet the God in the church but was denied entry by the priest by telling to become silent and holy 1st. The innocent negro attains to the serenity at the behest of the priest and the God appears to him tells that he himself never been to Church and there is no need either. } (.)
An impartial mind is required, an innocent mind is required, a free and open mind is required. Only that becomes the door, only that becomes the mirror to know oneself. (.)
So the first sutra I want to tell you this morning is: open mind, not closed mind. (.) .......(.) Accept my pranam." (.) Discourse ends.
1. This (AKK #03) is the 1st discourse of the series of proposed upcoming events during 3 days at SURAT. 2. Starting with a story Osho says he would discuss about the basic mistakes happened with man in this morning discourse and how to become free of them in next lectures. 3. Osho narrates a story of his visit to an orphanage where children are never taught how to have an open mind! When asked by the administrator where is the God, children showed their heart by putting their hands on the chest. But when one child is asked by Osho where is the heart then he says they have not been taught about it. 4. In the end Osho concludes that the 1st sutra is the open mind which becomes door / mirror to know oneself. 5. The e-book ch #01 is aptly titled "क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं? - Kya Apke Dwar Khule Hein? - Whether your doors are opened?"
AKK #04 2. धर्म भय पर खड़ा नहीं हो सकता (Religion can not stand on fear) 28 Jun 1967 pm, Surat 00::00:00 Discourse starts: "My dear Atman! With a small story, I would start this talks of the evening. A very remarkable person appeared in the court (of an emporor). ……(.) I am telling this story because that on the earth, man has believed of so many such things in which there is no other raeson except fear for believing. (.) .... (.) Hence I would say the 1st thing, and I want to talk to you this evening on it - and that is - FEAR. Fear is not the characteristic of a religious man beacause one who is afraid will niether be able to search nor know the truth. (.) .........(.) In the morning I had talked to you about one sutra (formula): awakening of conscience and becoming free from the faith (trust). In the evening I have talked to you about the second sutra: becoming free from the fear and establishing in fearlessness. Regarding some remaining sutras, I will tell you in the upcoming talks. (.) ....(.) In the life of man also some intelligent businessmen are born who have tied pegs on the mind of man so that no man would go outside their circle, their fold. ...... The one who becomes freed from them gets the dignity and pride of the soul - ony he becomes human in the right sense. (.) How can he become a human, I will discuss more on that in the coming 2 days. (.)..... (.) Accept my pranam. (.) Discourse ends. 1. This discourse (AKK #04) is given in the evening of the same day of the preceeding discourse. 2. Osho summarizes this talk by reiterating the 1st sutra of 'awakening of conscience' which he explained in the morning talk and the 2nd sutra of 'establishing in fearlessness' which he explained in this evening's talk. 3. In the end of the discourse he tells that he would explain more in next 2 days about: how a man can become a real human in the right sense by freeing oneself from all pegs of the mind.
AKK #05 3. विश्वास, श्रद्धा और विचार (Faith, Trust and Thought / Thinking) 29 Jun 1967 am, Surat 00::00:00 Discourse starts: "My dear Atman! I have received various questions - many of them are similar. So by distributing them all into few questions it would be easier to discuss them with you. (.) Yesterday I told: faith is not the religion but thoughts and conscience are the religion. Trust is blind and one who is blind can not know the truth. (.) In this regard, various questions have been asked that if we do not keep the trust, if we do not have faith our path would be lost. (.) .... We know very well in life, our feet make us move, our eyes make us see. ... Perhaps the truth is that we do not have a deep urge for knowing God. ...
And what I told you yesterday has only this meaning: we would search for our eyes if there was a deep urge. Thoughts are your eyes, conscience is your eyes - faith is not your eyes, but someone else's. (.) ... Truth can be seen directly - not through any other medium. (.) .... The religion is not a sermon but a treatment on this earth, for those who know. It's a therapy to open the eyes - not to believe, it is to awaken the conscience. (.) ... That's why yesterday I told not the beliefs, but the thoughts. (.) .... The lamp of religion is extinguished not because of materialism, but because the lamp of religion is already extinguished there is materialism. ... The lamp of religion is extinguished because it is filled by water in place of oil - it is filled with faith in place of thoughts and conscience. (.) ... That's why I told you yesterday leave the faith and awaken the conscience. (.) ..... Man can know the God if he disolves himself -
But if he creates God, then neither can he know himself nor can he know the God. The way to find the God is not to create the God but to disolve oneself. (.) We will talk tomorrow morning - that how man may disolve him and he becomes nobody. (.) ..... To be religious is another matter, not so cheap and easy. It is a matter of great revolution. (.) I have discussed about two sutras with you for how that revolution can happen - I will talk about the third sutra tomorrow morning. (.) ..... (.) Accept my pranam. (.) Discourse ends.
1. This (AKK #05) is a 2nd day morning discourse for the questions and answers. 2. Osho groups the various questions asked based on 1st day talk and explains in details with the stories clearing the apprehensions w.r.t. faith, trust, conscience, devotion and religion. 2. He concludes by telling that - he explained 2 sutras regarding how the religion, a great revolution can happen. He would talk about the 3rd sutra on next day morning.
AKK #06 4. वस्त्र आपकी पहचान तो नहीं? (Aren't the Clothes Your Identity?) 30 Jun 1967 am, Surat 00::00:00 Discourse starts: "My dear Atman! I would like to start my talks with a small incident. (.) One king was out on hunting - lost the track in the forest, it was already the night and he got separated from his associates. ..… amidst the forest was a small caravansarai. He stayed there. .... (.) Today morning I want to talk to you sometning about 'what is the weakness of a man?'. And that which is the weakness; is itself the hindrance in the path of the God....(.) Ego is the weakness of a man. Hypocracy, ego is the weakness of a man. 'I am something' is the weakness of a man. (.) ..... (.) In the first day's talk I told you: 'leave the faith and awaken the thoghts'. In the evening's talk I told: 'leave the fear and raise the fearlessness'. And now in the third and final talk I am telling leave the 'I', then whatever is remainder is the real being, that is the truth, that is the God, give any name, it does not make any difference. (.) .... (.) There are two types of mistakes: if the ego is nothing then neither it can be filled nor can it be emptied. Because the one which can be filled only that, can be emptied. .... So what can be done with the ego. The first thing that can be done with it is: 'it can be explored whether it is there or not'. The first thing is: 'it can be known what the ego is'. And the surprise of the big surprises is that: the one who tries to know finds, it's not there (in the first place) (.) ..... (.) One last thing and I would complete my discussion. Where the barrier drops we are connected with all. Where this illusion of my being separate and different drops, there only is the meeting of a drop with the ocean - there only is the meeting of an individual and the existence (whole) (.) ... (.) In today's final talk I have told you to lose such a thing which is really not there. The one who loses that which is not there - finds that which is really there. (.) ... So I give an invitation in the ultimate sense: 'let the drop be lost and become the owner of the ocean'. That ocean is the God. (.) ..... Accept my pranam (.) Discourse ends. 1. This (AKK #06) is a 3rd day morning discourse in which Osho talks about the ego - a human weakness which hinders the path to the Truth, the God. 2. He deliberates that the ego has to be explored - ultimately arriving at a point to know that it's not real but only an illusion. 3. Osho concludes the final talk with an invitation to let the drop (self, ego) be lost and become the ocean - the God.
notes
(*1) Source of the dates and place is Jagdish, see above.