Talk:Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna (भारत के जलते प्रश्न)

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Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna ~ 01 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #1 1. समस्याओं के ढेर 1. समस्याओं के ढेर
Ahmedabad, 23 Dec 1969
  • 1. समस्याओं के ढेर
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 1. समस्याओं के ढेर
1. समस्याओं के ढेर Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka (स्वर्ण पाखी था जो कभी और अब है भिखारी जगत का), 1988ed., 1. समस्याओं के ढेर (*2) 23 Dec 1969 pm, Ahmedabad
Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna ~ 02 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #2 2. गरीबी और समाजवाद 2. गरीबी और समाजवाद
Ahmedabad, 24 Dec 1969
  • 2. गरीबी और समाजवाद
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 2. गरीबी और समाजवाद
2. गरीबी और समाजवाद Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 2. गरीबी और समाजवाद (*2) 24 Dec 1969 pm, Ahmedabad
Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna ~ 03 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #3 3. राष्ट्रभाषा और खंडित देश 3. राष्ट्रभाषा और खण्डित देश
Ahmedabad, 25 Dec 1969
  • 3. राष्ट्रभाषा और खण्डित देश
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 3. राष्ट्रभाषा और खण्डित देश
3. राष्ट्रभाषा और खंडित देश Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 3. राष्ट्रभाषा और खण्डित देश (*2) 25 Dec 1969 pm, Ahmedabad
Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna ~ 04 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #4 4. पूंजीवाद की अनिवार्यता 4. पूंजीवाद की अनिवार्यता
Ahmedabad, 26 Dec 1969
  • 4. पूंजीवाद की अनिवार्यता
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 4. पूंजीवाद की अनिवार्यता
4. पूंजीवाद की अनिवार्यता Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 4. पूंजीवाद की अनिवार्यता (*2) 26 Dec 1969 am, Ahmedabad
Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna ~ 05 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #5 5. भारत के भटके युवक 5. भारत के भटके युवक
Ahmedabad, 26 Dec 1969
  • 5. भारत के भटके युवक
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 5. भारत के भटके युवक
5. भारत के भटके युवक Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 5. भारत के भटके युवक (*2) 26 Dec 1969 pm, Ahmedabad
Samajvad Se Savdhan ~ 01 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #6 Samajvad Se Savdhan 1. समाजवाद अर्थात पूर्ण विकसित पूंजीवाद 6. समाजवाद अर्थात् पूर्ण विकसित पूंजीवाद
text differs from audio a little
missing last paragraph
Cross Maidan, Bombay, 13 Apr 1970
  • Samajvad Se Savdhan 1. समाजवाद अर्थात पूर्ण विकसित पूंजीवाद
    text differs from audio a little
    missing last paragraph
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 6. समाजवाद अर्थात पूर्ण विकसित पूंजीवाद
    text differs from audio a little
    missing last paragraph
Samajvad Se Savdhan 1. समाजवाद अर्थात पूर्ण विकसित पूंजीवाद
text differs from audio a little
missing last paragraph
13 Apr 1970 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Samajvad Se Savdhan ~ 02 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #7 Samajvad Se Savdhan 2. धर्म-विरोधी तथाकथित समाजवाद 7. धर्म-विरोधी तथाकथित समाजवाद
missing last 3 paragraphs
Cross Maidan, Bombay, 14 Apr 1970
  • Samajvad Se Savdhan 2. धर्म-विरोधी तथाकथित समाजवाद
    missing last 3 paragraphs
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 7. धर्म-विरोधी तथाकथित समाजवाद
    missing last 3 paragraphs
Samajvad Se Savdhan 2. धर्म-विरोधी तथाकथित समाजवाद
missing last 3 paragraphs
14 Apr 1970 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Samajvad Se Savdhan ~ 03 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #8 Samajvad Se Savdhan 3. पूंजीवाद की नैसर्गिक व्यवस्था 8. नैसर्गिक व्यवस्था--पूंजीवाद
first paragraph incomplete, missing last 2 paragraphs
Cross Maidan, Bombay, 15 Apr 1970
  • Samajvad Se Savdhan 3. पूंजीवाद की नैसर्गिक व्यवस्था
    first paragraph incomplete, missing last 2 paragraphs
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 8. पूंजीवाद की नैसर्गिक व्यवस्था
    first paragraph incomplete, missing last 2 paragraphs
Samajvad Se Savdhan 3. पूंजीवाद की नैसर्गिक व्यवस्था
first paragraph incomplete, missing last 2 paragraphs
15 Apr 1970 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Samajvad Se Savdhan ~ 04 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #9 Samajvad Se Savdhan 4. कोरा शब्द: लोकतांत्रिक समाजवाद 9. कोरा शब्द--लोकतांत्रिक समाजवाद
end incomplete and second part of last paragraph does not match to audio
Cross Maidan, Bombay, 13 Apr 1970 (*3)
  • Samajvad Se Savdhan 4. कोरा शब्दः लोकतांत्रिक समाजवाद
    end incomplete and second part of last paragraph does not match to audio
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 9. कोरा शब्दः लोकतांत्रिक समाजवाद
    end incomplete and second part of last paragraph does not match to audio
Samajvad Se Savdhan 4. कोरा शब्दः लोकतांत्रिक समाजवाद
end incomplete and second part of last paragraph does not match to audio
16 Apr 1970 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Samajvad Se Savdhan ~ 05 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #10 Samajvad Se Savdhan 5. पूंजीवाद, समाजवाद और सर्वोदय 10. पूंजीवाद, समाजवाद, सर्वोदय
missing some sentences in middle of last paragraph
Cross Maidan, Bombay, 17 Apr 1970
  • Samajvad Se Savdhan 5. पूंजीवाद, समाजवाद और सर्वोदय
    missing some sentences in middle of last paragraph
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 10. पूंजीवाद, समाजवाद और सर्वोदय
    missing some sentences in middle of last paragraph
Samajvad Se Savdhan 5. पूंजीवाद, समाजवाद और सर्वोदय
missing some sentences in middle of last paragraph
17 Apr 1970 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat ~ 01 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #11 Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 1. समाजवाद क्या—सिर्फ राजनीति है! 11. समाजवाद क्या--सिर्फ राजनीति
Ahmedabad, 8 Aug 1970
  • Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 1. समाजवाद क्या--सिर्फ राजनीति है!
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 11. समाजवाद क्या--सिर्फ राजनीति है!
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 1. समाजवाद क्या--सिर्फ राजनीति है! 8 Aug 1970, Ahmedabad
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat ~ 02 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #12 (before 52:44)
missing last 5 paragraphs
after 52:44 the end of another talk - Swarn Pakhi #14
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 2. समाजवाद : दासता की एक व्यवस्था
incomplete (missing last 5 paragraphs)
12. समाजवाद--दासता की एक व्यवस्था
Ahmedabad, 9 Aug 1970
  • Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 2. समाजवादः दासता की एक व्यवस्था
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 12. समाजवादः दासता की एक व्यवस्था
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 2. समाजवादः दासता की एक व्यवस्था 9 Aug 1970, Ahmedabad
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat ~ 03 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #13 Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 3. पूंजीवाद : ज्यादा मानवीय व्यवस्था 13. पूंजीवाद--ज्यादा मानवीय व्यवस्था
Ahmedabad, 10 Aug 1970
  • Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 3. पूंजीवादः ज्यादा मानवीय व्यवस्था
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 13. पूंजीवादः ज्यादा मानवीय व्यवस्था
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 3. पूंजीवादः ज्यादा मानवीय व्यवस्था 10 Aug 1970, Ahmedabad
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat ~ 04 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #14
greetings incomplete
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 4. लोकशाही समाजवाद : एक भ्रांत धारणा
missing greetings
14. लोकशाही समाजवाद--भ्रांत धारणा
Ahmedabad, 11 Aug 1970
  • Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 4. लोकशाही समाजवादः एक भ्रांत धारणा
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 14. लोकशाही समाजवादः एक भ्रांत धारणा
Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat 4. लोकशाही समाजवादः एक भ्रांत धारणा 11 Aug 1970, Ahmedabad
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 01 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #15
last 1,5 min not transcribed in all text sources
(at least first question is in English but Osho answering in Hindi)
Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 1. क्रांति की वैज्ञानिक प्रक्रिया
last 1,5 min not transcribed in all text sources
(at least first question is in English but Osho answering in Hindi)
15. क्रांति की वैज्ञानिक प्रक्रिया
(no date stated)
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 15. क्रांति की वैज्ञानिक प्रक्रिया Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 1. क्रांति की वैज्ञानिक प्रक्रिया 18 Aug 1969, Ahmedabad
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 02 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #16
greetings is very distorted
Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 2. क्रांति के बीच सबसे बड़ी दीवाल
missing greetings
16. क्रांति के बीच सबसे बड़ी दीवार
Ruia College, Bombay,
theme: 'India's saints'
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 16. क्रांति के बीच सबसे बड़ी दीवार Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 2. क्रांति के बीच सबसे बड़ी दीवाल 2 Feb 1969, Ruia College, Bombay (*11)
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 03 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #17 Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 3. प्रगतिशील कौन? 17. प्रगतिशील कौन ?
missing last 2 questions
Bombay
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 17. प्रगतिशील कौन? Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 3. प्रगतिशील कौन? 11 Sep 1970, Bombay
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 04 audio missing Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 4. धरम और राजनीती
"Audio Not Available"
18. धर्म और राजनीति
Jabalpur
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 18. धर्म और राजनीति Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 4. धर्म और राजनीति 1970, Jabalpur
Samaj Parivartan Ke Chaurahe Par ~ 01 audio mising audio missing it seems unpublished and text unavailable 21 May 1970, Surat
Samaj Parivartan Ke Chaurahe Par ~ 02 Ek Ek Kadam #6 (*5)
last sentence incomplete
Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 5. (*5)
"समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर: 1"
last sentence incomplete
perhaps it is missing
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 5. समाज परिवर्तन के चैराहे पर-1
  • Ek Ek Kadam 6. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर
Ek Ek Kadam (एक एक कदम), 2000 and 2002ed., 6. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर 22 May 1970, Surat
Samaj Parivartan Ke Chaurahe Par ~ 03 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #19 Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 6. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर: 2 19. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर
Surat, 22 May 1970
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 19. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 6. समाज परिवर्तन के चैराहे पर-2 Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 19. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर (*2) 23 May 1970 am, Surat (12)
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 07 (*6) Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #20 (before 42:23) Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 7. आज की राजनीति (before 43:33)
from 43:33 another talk
20. आज की राजनीति
Rotary Club, Baroda, 15 Aug 1969
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 20. आज की राजनीति Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 7. आज की राजनीति Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 20. आज की राजनीति (*2) 15 Aug 1969, Rotary Club, Baroda
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 08 (*7) Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #21 Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 8. भारत किस ओर 21. भारत किस ओर
Baroda, 17 Aug 1969
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 21. भारत किस ओर Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 8. भारत किस ओर Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 21. भारत किस ओर (*2) 17 Aug 1969, Baroda
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 09 (*8) Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #20 (from 42:23)
  • Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 9. नए भारत की दिशा ("Audio Not Available")
  • in fact it is available as Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 7. आज की राजनीति (from 43:33)
22. नये भारत की दिशा
M.S. College, Baroda, 18 Aug 1969
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 22. नये भारत की दिशा Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 9. नये भारत की दिशा Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 22. नये भारत की दिशा (*2) 18 Aug 1969, M.S. College, Baroda
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 10 (*9) Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #22 Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 10. भारत के निर्णायक क्षण 23. भारत के निर्णायक क्षण
Ahmedabad, 23 Dec 1969
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 23. भारत के निर्णायक क्षण Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 10. भारत के निर्णायक क्षण Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 23. भारत के निर्णायक क्षण (*2) 23 Dec 1969 om**, Ahmedabad
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 11 (*10) Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #23 Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 11. नया भारत 24. नया भारत
Ahmedabad, 24 Dec 1969
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 24. नया भारत Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 11. नया भारत Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi, 1988ed., 24. नया भारत (*2) 24 Dec 1969 am, Ahmedabad
notes
(*1) Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi is shortened from Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka Shailendra's PDF.
(*2) Comparing of this source based only on its chapter title. In other words it has not been checked on completeness of text.
(*3) This is a typo. It should be 16 Apr 1970, which is confirmed by earlier book: Samajvad Se Savdhan (समाजवाद से सावधान), 1970ed.
(*4) This is actually the one-chapter booklet where this discourse was first published. We have not used it for the eventName, as it would lead to many one-event series. Instead, naming like in the Osho.com library has been used.
(*5) In OA, there was an error: "Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #18" was available as s023, but the Osho.com intro says it is "Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #05". (This same error is in the Khajana collection s038: there it was copied from OA :-)
And the audio we are talking about is indeed the same as OA's (s023) "Ek Ek Kadam #06".
Remove this note when correcting OA-audio ready.
(*6) Original name of this discourse is Aaj Ki Rajneeti (आज की राजनीति).
We thought of using that as the eventName, but it would lead to many one-discourse event-series. The Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna-compilation where it was first published is also not a good name. So naming like on Osho.com has been used.
(*7) Original name of this discourse is Bharat Kis Or (भारत किस ओर). Considerations as with (*7).
(*8) Original name of this discourse is Nae Bharat Ki Disha (नये भारत की दिशा). Considerations as with (*7).
(*9) Original name of this discourse is Bharat Ke Nirnayak Kshan (भारत के निर्णायक क्षण). Considerations as with (*7).
(*10) Original name of this discourse is Naya Bharat (नया भारत). Considerations as with (*7).
(*11) Source of date is Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document). It listed there as "भारत के साधुसंत". It is theme of the talk that stated in first published booklet.
(*12) Date changed from 22 May into 23 May 1970 am, see Talk:Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka (स्वर्ण पाखी था जो कभी और अब है भिखारी जगत का).

Deliberations

The discussion below the double lines was written in 2014. It is accurate and complete enough as far as it goes but lacked a major part of Jalte's history, for which there had been hints, but these hints never matured into seeing until 2017, when that major part emerged, or could no longer be brushed aside. And that is that the compilation "known" then as Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka (स्वर्ण पाखी था जो कभी और अब है भिखारी जगत का) had previously been published with Jalte as an über-title. And, fwiw, Swarn Pakhi had never been published as a small single volume, as have all the others in the collection, Jalte and the two Samajwads.

See Swarn Pakhi's discussion page for all the details on that emergence. It is also asserted by the source for that that Jalte may eventually become again the über-title. For here, now, it may be sufficient to point to the graphic evidence, the cover of Rebel's 1988 edition of the compilation, to see how messy the "identity issues" were even then. It can be seen that above the स्वर्ण पाखी था जो कभी emblazoned across the top of the cover is the slightly smaller भारत के जलते प्रश्न. [That it is hard to read because of apparent coloring is likely due to a scanner's sometime difficulty with distinguishing gold from black.) At 90º on the right is Swarn pakhi's subtitle (or a putative other part of its full title), और अब हैं भिखारी जगत का. This cover image was not available in 2014. Now it is, and it cannot be denied. -- doofus-9 17:20, 22 April 2017 (UTC)



As usual, there are matters of transliteration and spelling, mainly around Prashan - प्रश्न. Fortunately this time, they don't amount to much, but shall be expounded on for the sake of completeness. Astute observers will have noticed that the last word, प्रश्न, does not look much like the last word on the cover image. In fact, i could not replicate this word as text. The closest i could come was प्रशन, which has one more vertical stroke, which could not be eliminated. So be it. When it comes down to it, it does not affect searches at all, प्रशन and प्रश्न being more or less interchangeable in terms of finding each other, and the same for Prashan and Prashna for that matter, with प्रश्न and Prashan being more common.

There are considerable difficulties connected with this book having to do with the ISBN of the 2011 edition though. Searching for ISBN 8184193211, one finds a number of anomalies which just should not be. The search results are dominated by another book appearing to have the same ISBN. More about that book below. Also among the search results, in fact near the top, is yet another book called Drudgery of the Hill Women. This amusing title has actually showed up in quite a few ISBN searches for Osho books, ie different ISBNs, and always at the same bookseller, bookshopofindia.in, and always well-placed in search results. Net mavens may speculate on how this can occur or be managed.

The usually reliable Printsasia is listed among the search results, with Osho as the author and this book sort of as the title, but the number of anomalies in just this one result is breathtaking. It reports the pub year as 2008, has two different page counts, 357 and 366, has the title run together with Swarnpakhi -- see main page -- thusly: भारत के जलते प्रश्न स्वर्णपाखी था जो कभी, has the completely weird cover at right instead of Osho and in the G**gle search results page (though not on its own page), reports the book as being published by Fusion. (And no, Fusion is not in G**gle's cache of that page either.)

Weird enough for you?

About the book that got the most hits for ISBN 8184193211, that's Dynamic Memory English Speaking Course Through Arabic, by Biswaroop Roy Choudhary. And guess what? That book's cover turns out to be the one at right, and its author listed as the author of Drudgery, though misspelled. FWIW, he is also alleged to be the author of at least ten other Dynamic Memory English Speaking Course books in different languages, from Tamil to Assamese, all with the same snake-oil picture but different scripts.

Getting back to Osho's book, astute observers will also have noticed that the page counts for the three different editions are all quite different: 152, 366 and 544. This cannot just be a matter of different print sizes and likely means that the larger editions include some or all of the rest of Swarnpakhi, as hinted by Printsasia's title. Stay tuned!


And this update:

Neeten's Osho Source Book (Appendix page) is loaded with factual information about Osho's early work, but still in rough form (as of this writing) and not all confirmed for accuracy. When we come to Swarn Pakhi, the über-series, we find the info below, which may be useful if adapted with a little inspiration:

There is only one entry for Swarn Pakhi per se, a single date, Apr 1, 1970 in Bombay. We may suppose that this is one of its discourses, which may be scattered around on different dates, or may be all in one chunk, since there is a decent-size gap following that time (see Osho Timeline 1970). There IS a talk the day before, Mar 31, in Jabalpur, which may or may not be a conflict.

There is stronger info about the other parts of the series, but there are snags there too: There are three entries for Samajvad Se Savdhan, enough for the three other volumes of Swarn Pakhi, and as if that were the über-name. In any case, it is not much of a stretch to take these three entries to refer to the first three volumes, especially as they correspond well regarding discourse counts (5, 5 and 4). The relevant section of the appendix reads:

Samajwad Se Savdhaan. 13-17.03.1970. 5 talks. Bombay. [(Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna (भारत के जलते प्रश्न))]
Vidroh Kya Hai? 31.03.1970. [the talk in Jabalpur]
Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi (India, Socialism, Gandhi, Communism). 01.04.1970. Bombay. (A)
Samajvaad Se Saavdhan. 13.04-17.04.1970. [(The real Samajvad Se Savdhan (समाजवाद से सावधान))]
[ . . . ]
Samajwad Se Savdhaan. 08-11.08.1970. 4 talks. [(Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat (समाजवाद अर्थात् आत्मघात))]

At this point we are in surmise-land, not really proven TRVTH, but it looks good enough for a provisional go, so allons-y. -- Sarlo (talk) 00:17, 1 July 2014 (PDT)


Hindi series of talks with dates (source document) in addition to these 5 talks of Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna (23-26 Dec 1969) mentions 3 talks in period 23-25 Dec 1969:

Manushya Ek Ajayabghar 1 [This is ch.7 of Panth Prem Ko Atpato (पंथ प्रेम को अटपटो) (1980ed.) and ch.2 in Shailendra's PDF.]
Naye Manushya Ki... 2 [This is ch.24 in current series, i.e. Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi ~ 11. Full title meant by the list is "नये मनुष्य की रूप-रेखा" (New human design), it is said by Osho two times in the chapter, so it is alternative or old title for this talk.]
Shiksha Main Kranti [sic] 3 [=Shiksha Mein Kranti ~ 25]

--updated.--DhyanAntar 17:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

This source doc above also documents three "press interviews" in Jalte Prashna's four days ((23-26 Dec 1969), so these appear to be busy times. -0- doofus-9 17:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
It is. See Talk:Hindi series of talks with dates (source document) for details what those 3 interviews are. Or the simpliest way is to go to Timeline directly)--DhyanAntar 17:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Extracts from Shailendra's PDF:

Ch.1: in the end: "If you think, if we think, we will quickly come to conclusions that are essentially born of logical thinking. So whatever your questions are - I said the primary thing - whatever you feel burning questions, you will give them in writing, then I would like to talk to them in three days."

Ch.2: in the end: "I will consider some things somewhere in the hope that you will think. We have to decide quickly what the country has to do. If we have taken a decision, not taken in sloganeering, then perhaps it can be easily useful and if we decide in sloganeering, it can be dangerous. Slogans look beautiful, this does not make the truth. And nothing satisfies our envy, it does not become helpful and helpful. There are more problems, I will talk about them tomorrow. You will have any questions, they will give it in writing."

Ch.3: q/a. In the end: "That is also a burning question in India. There is a big question especially in front of the youth. They have fallen into great difficulty. All the old system condemns them and their mind and their education arranges to free them. They are in great difficulty. Tomorrow I would like to talk about that generation of youths, their hungry generation, excited generation, rebellious generation, that is a question. Questions have also been asked in that regard." (Osho talks about that in next two chapters.)

Ch.4: q/a. In the end: "Who is a character We will have to change all the bases of the character. So far, what we have been calling character, that character is less, it is more the attempt to prove the other as evil. So far, what we have been calling conduct is less conduct, it is more to condemn another, more to send hell, and system. Today in the evening I would like to talk a little bit about it, what is the character, because that too is our living question."

Ch.5: q/a. It starts by "It is the last day of our discussions, and many questions remain. So I would like to discuss the important questions which are found in very little." In the end: "These few things I left to say many things somewhere in these four days. But those who have heard my words will also be able to consider those questions in which I have not been able to speak."

So, these 5 talks were for 4 days. 2nd and 3rd talks were on different days, it means Shailendra's gave incorrect date at least for second talk (see table TOC in Talk:Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka (स्वर्ण पाखी था जो कभी और अब है भिखारी जगत का)). It confirmed too by dates stated in 1979ed. (although there is no exact time of day):

Ch.1 - Ahmedabad, 23 Dec 1969
Ch.2 - Ahmedabad, 24 Dec 1969
Ch.3 - Ahmedabad, 25 Dec 1969
Ch.4 - Ahmedabad, 26 Dec 1969
Ch.5 - Ahmedabad, 26 Dec 1969

--DhyanAntar 04:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


It seems ch.3 (of 5) is talk mentioned in Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document): राष्ट्र के झुलते प्रश्न (Rashtra Ke Shulte Prashan), 1 talk, Ahmedabad, 25 Dec 1969.--DhyanAntar 05:33, 4 September 2020 (UTC)