Talk:Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna (भारत के जलते प्रश्न)
The discussion below the double lines was written in 2014. It is accurate and complete enough as far as it goes but lacked a major part of Jalte's history, for which there had been hints, but these hints never matured into seeing until 2017, when that major part emerged, or could no longer be brushed aside. And that is that the compilation "known" then as Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka (स्वर्ण पाखी था जो कभी और अब है भिखारी जगत का) had previously been published with Jalte as an über-title. And, fwiw, Swarn Pakhi had never been published as a small single volume, as have all the others in the collection, Jalte and the two Samajwads.
See Swarn Pakhi's discussion page for all the details on that emergence. It is also asserted by the source for that that Jalte may eventually become again the über-title. For here, now, it may be sufficient to point to the graphic evidence, the cover of Rebel's 1988 edition of the compilation, to see how messy the "identity issues" were even then. It can be seen that above the स्वर्ण पाखी था जो कभी emblazoned across the top of the cover is the slightly smaller भारत के जलते प्रश्न. [That it is hard to read because of apparent coloring is likely due to a scanner's sometime difficulty with distinguishing gold from black.) At 90º on the right is Swarn pakhi's subtitle (or a putative other part of its full title), और अब हैं भिखारी जगत का. This cover image was not available in 2014. Now it is, and it cannot be denied. -- doofus-9 17:20, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
As usual, there are matters of transliteration and spelling, mainly around Prashan - प्रश्न. Fortunately this time, they don't amount to much, but shall be expounded on for the sake of completeness. Astute observers will have noticed that the last word, प्रश्न, does not look much like the last word on the cover image. In fact, i could not replicate this word as text. The closest i could come was प्रशन, which has one more vertical stroke, which could not be eliminated. So be it. When it comes down to it, it does not affect searches at all, प्रशन and प्रश्न being more or less interchangeable in terms of finding each other, and the same for Prashan and Prashna for that matter, with प्रश्न and Prashan being more common.
There are considerable difficulties connected with this book having to do with the ISBN of the 2011 edition though. Searching for ISBN 8184193211, one finds a number of anomalies which just should not be. The search results are dominated by another book appearing to have the same ISBN. More about that book below. Also among the search results, in fact near the top, is yet another book called Drudgery of the Hill Women. This amusing title has actually showed up in quite a few ISBN searches for Osho books, ie different ISBNs, and always at the same bookseller, bookshopofindia.in, and always well-placed in search results. Net mavens may speculate on how this can occur or be managed.
The usually reliable Printsasia is listed among the search results, with Osho as the author and this book sort of as the title, but the number of anomalies in just this one result is breathtaking. It reports the pub year as 2008, has two different page counts, 357 and 366, has the title run together with Swarnpakhi -- see main page -- thusly: भारत के जलते प्रश्न स्वर्णपाखी था जो कभी, has the completely weird cover at right instead of Osho and in the G**gle search results page (though not on its own page), reports the book as being published by Fusion. (And no, Fusion is not in G**gle's cache of that page either.)
Weird enough for you?
About the book that got the most hits for ISBN 8184193211, that's Dynamic Memory English Speaking Course Through Arabic, by Biswaroop Roy Choudhary. And guess what? That book's cover turns out to be the one at right, and its author listed as the author of Drudgery, though misspelled. FWIW, he is also alleged to be the author of at least ten other Dynamic Memory English Speaking Course books in different languages, from Tamil to Assamese, all with the same snake-oil picture but different scripts.
Getting back to Osho's book, astute observers will also have noticed that the page counts for the three different editions are all quite different: 152, 366 and 544. This cannot just be a matter of different print sizes and likely means that the larger editions include some or all of the rest of Swarnpakhi, as hinted by Printsasia's title. Stay tuned!
And this update:
Neeten's Osho Source Book (Appendix page) is loaded with factual information about Osho's early work, but still in rough form (as of this writing) and not all confirmed for accuracy. When we come to Swarn Pakhi, the über-series, we find the info below, which may be useful if adapted with a little inspiration:
There is only one entry for Swarn Pakhi per se, a single date, Apr 1, 1970 in Bombay. We may suppose that this is one of its discourses, which may be scattered around on different dates, or may be all in one chunk, since there is a decent-size gap following that time (see Osho Timeline 1970). There IS a talk the day before, Mar 31, in Jabalpur, which may or may not be a conflict.
There is stronger info about the other parts of the series, but there are snags there too: There are three entries for Samajvad Se Savdhan, enough for the three other volumes of Swarn Pakhi, and as if that were the über-name. In any case, it is not much of a stretch to take these three entries to refer to the first three volumes, especially as they correspond well regarding discourse counts (5, 5 and 4). The relevant section of the appendix reads:
- Samajwad Se Savdhaan. 13-17.03.1970. 5 talks. Bombay. [(Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna (भारत के जलते प्रश्न))]
- Vidroh Kya Hai? 31.03.1970. [the talk in Jabalpur]
- Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi (India, Socialism, Gandhi, Communism). 01.04.1970. Bombay. (A)
- Samajvaad Se Saavdhan. 13.04-17.04.1970. [(The real Samajvad Se Savdhan (समाजवाद से सावधान))]
- [ . . . ]
- Samajwad Se Savdhaan. 08-11.08.1970. 4 talks. [(Samajvad Arthat Atmaghat (समाजवाद अर्थात् आत्मघात))]
At this point we are in surmise-land, not really proven TRVTH, but it looks good enough for a provisional go, so allons-y. -- Sarlo (talk) 00:17, 1 July 2014 (PDT)
- प्रवचन (TOC):
- 1. समस्याओं के ढेर
- 2. गरीबी और समाजवाद
- 3. राष्ट्रभाषा और खण्डित देश
- 4. पूंजीवाद की अनिवार्यता
- 5. भारत के भटके युवक
Hindi series of talks with dates (source document) in addition to these 5 talks of Bharat Ke Jalte Prashna (23-26 Dec 1969) mentions 3 talks in period 23-25 Dec 1969:
- Manushya Ek Ajayabghar 1
- Naye Manushya Ki... 2
- Shiksha Main Kranti [sic] 3
So this these talks can be one per day, but unclear relation with Shiksha Mein Kranti (शिक्षा में क्रांति). Second talk cannot be Naye Manushya Ke Janma Ki Disha (नये मनुष्य के जन्म की दिशा) as that is dated 1967 or earlier and it seems not Naye Manushya Ka Dharm (नये मनुष्य का धर्म).--DhyanAntar 16:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- This source doc above also documents three "press interviews" in Jalte Prashna's four days ((23-26 Dec 1969), so these appear to be busy times. -0- doofus-9 17:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
