Talk:Cheti Sake To Cheti (चेति सकै तो चेति)

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Source for the date and place info is Neeten's Osho Source Book (Appendix page). There is no indication in the range of dates given how the discourses are apportioned between Vadodara and Ahmedabad. Chances are decent that a few happened in one place at the beginning of the ten days, with the rest of the talks at the end, at the other place.

A few themes and variations have turned up in the pursuit of data relating to this book. As has often been the case, an "ai" vowel inflection ( ै) has got transliterated as "e," in सकै ==> Sake. But since so few relevant sites use anything but Sake relating to this book, Sake it is. And mysteriously, the title is sometimes rendered as Cheti Sake To Chet, but searching for such only ends up missing the much more common (and correct, fwiw) title above.

In the world of editions, lots of variable data. As often, the OMI edition is occasionally attributed to Rebel. The Diamond edition(s) are where variety rules. Three years, 2003, 2005 and 2011, were found, two cover images, and even two ISBN13s, 9788128803826 and 9788128803825. The latter was found plenty of times while searching for the title, not least at Diamond's own page, but not once when searching directly by ISBN. There was not enough consistency of year and cover matching up to identify particular editions with any confidence. -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 05:56, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


TOC's

विषय सूची (Diamond book)
1 : चिंतन की स्वतंत्रता
2 : प्राचीन से नवीन
3 : धर्म की क्रांति
4 : धर्म और चिंतन
 
5 : खोलो नए ऊर्जा द्वार
6 : अश्लीलता : नैतिकता का फल
osho.com audiobook
1. चिंतन की स्वतंत्रता
2. प्राचीन से नवीन
3. धर्म की क्रांति
4. धर्म और चिंतन
5. जीवन है द्वार
6. खोलो नए ऊर्जा द्वार
7. अश्लीलता : नैतिकता का फल

Meanwhile, looking at audiobooks on offer for this book, we find information indicating the number of discourses has been wrong up to now. Osho.com's offering mentions eight talks rather than the six in the book, although they say the eighth is unavailable. Still, we have to go with that, as the titles for the seven they do have include one offered in Osho World's audiobook and not in the Diamond book. OW also has only six talks but they are missing the 7th, while Diamond is missing the 5th. Many of o.com's titles acknowledge sound issues but #5 is intact, so why Diamond left it out is a mystery. -- doofus-9 16:49, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Article page indicated a range of 6-8 discourses for Cheti, but no source can be found which suggests there was ever an eighth discourse, so that has been edited down to 6-7. 8th will be removed from Timeline. -- doofus-9 18:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

The 1980 Rajneesh Foundation edition was added on the basis of the recent publications list of Rahiman Dhaga Prem Ka (रहिमन धागा प्रेम का), published in July 1980. In that list, it was referred to as a "pocket edition". -- doofus-9 18:31, 12 November 2017 (UTC)


Dates provided by 1980 RF edition:

Ch.1 Nadiad, 7 Jun 1969
Ch.2 Ahmedabad, 8 Jun 1969
Ch.3 Ahmedabad, 8 Jun 1969
Ch.4 Baroda, 17 Aug 1969
Ch.5 Ahmedabad, 18 Aug 1969
Ch.6 talk with workers, Rajkot, 14 Dec 1967 : is Naye Manushya Ka Dharm ~ 01 ?

7 Jun is vacant in Timeline, but next 2 are in conflict with Prabhu Mandir Ke Dwar Par # 01. Only two talk in camp in Aug (ch.4-5)?--DhyanAntar 06:55, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

media status

So summing up for the audio situation:

  • OW has 6 audios,
  • Shailendra has 7 audios, these are the audios from osho.com.
  • The PDF (text) from Shailendra has 6 chapters. We do not know on which book-edition this has been based.
  • osho.com mentions 8 audios (of which "0" is unavailable, or maybe that is just a title, with a stray "0"?) :
0: Cheti Sake To Cheti - चेति सकै तो चेति
1: चिंतन की स्वतंत्रता -- Beginning missing 62
2: प्राचीन से नवीन 21
3: धर्म की क्रांति 75
4: धर्म और चिंतन -- Sound dropouts and some questions not recorded 73
5: जीवन है द्वार 53
6: खोलो नए ऊर्जा द्वार -- Sound dropouts 44
7: अश्लीलता : नैतिकता का फल -- Many questions not recorded 72


So here, it is unknown which audio belongs to which chapter/event. To be researched. --Sugit (talk) 13:42, 2 December 2018 (UTC)