Talk:Chikhaldara Shivir (चिखलदरा शिविर)

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Current Understanding

event audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com
Shailendra's PDF Availability in other Shailendra's PDF Dates & Places
Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 03 Sakshi Ki Sadhana #3
missing beginning
Sakshi Ki Sadhana 1. अनंत धैर्य और प्रतीक्षा
missing beginning
1. (no title) Sakshi Ki Sadhana 3. अनंत धैर्य और प्रतीक्षा
missing beginning
25 Dec 1966 pm, Chikhaldara, meditation camp
Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 05 Sakshi Ki Sadhana #5 Sakshi Ki Sadhana 3. सहज जीवन परिवर्तन 2. (no title) Sakshi Ki Sadhana 5. सहज जीवन-परिवर्तन 26 Dec 1966 pm, Chikhaldara, meditation camp
Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 04 Sakshi Ki Sadhana #4 Sakshi Ki Sadhana 2. श्रद्धा-अश्रद्धा से मुक्ति 3. (no title) Sakshi Ki Sadhana 4. श्रद्धा-अश्रद्धा से मुक्ति 26 Dec 1966 am, Chikhaldara, meditation camp
Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 07 Sakshi Ki Sadhana #7
incomplete?
Sakshi Ki Sadhana 5. प्रेम है परम सौंदर्य
incomplete?
4. (no title) Sakshi Ki Sadhana 7. प्रेम है परम सौंदर्य
incomplete?
27 Dec 1966 pm, Chikhaldara, meditation camp
Sakshi Ki Sadhana ~ 06 Sakshi Ki Sadhana #6 Sakshi Ki Sadhana 4. विवेक का जागरण 5. (no title) Sakshi Ki Sadhana 6. विवेक का जागरण 27 Dec 1966 am, Chikhaldara, meditation camp

See Talk:Sakshi Ki Sadhana (साक्षी की साधना) for more talks in this camp.

Deliberations

There are three sources pointing to the existence of this camp:

Shailendra - books missing in list (source document) has it in its list as "चिखलदरा शिविर के प्रवचन - chikhaldara shivir ke pravachan", literally "discourses from Chikhaldara camp", implying but not guaranteeing a possible one-time hard-copy real book.

Osho World mentions it in its collection of 75 or so e-books, as "Chikaldara Camp", but alas, it is in the small minority of that collection which is "not available". Also implying at least an intended hard copy.

Neeten's Osho Source Book has the most (ie only) detail but it is garbled and raw, his Appendix section being the most full of unprocessed facts. Here it is fwiw, in the part devoted to talks in 1966:

– Man ke Sthir hone ki Sadhana. 26.12.1966am. Chikaldhara.
– Samyak Sandeh Se Vivek ka Jagaran. 27.12.1966am. Chikaldhara. = partial matching (second part) of title of ch.6 of Sakshi Ki Sadhana of Shailendra's PDF ("विवेक का जागरण")
– Damadhi ka Agaman. 27.12.1966am. Chikaldhara.
– Samadhi ka Agaman. 28.12.1966am. Chikaldhara. = title of ch.8 of Sakshi Ki Sadhana of Shailendra's PDF ("समाधि का आगमन")

There are four talks indicated here, and the specificity of the details seems at first to be impressive, but then we find the 2nd and 3rd are at exactly the same time, and the 3rd and 4th have almost exactly the same name. (The names in his Hindi talks list can be either discourse titles or series titles. In this case, they are clearly the former.) And "Damadhi" is not a word recognised by G**gle Translate.

Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document) list with dates lists these 4 talks exactly in the same way as Neeten, but with one difference: 3rd title named "Samadhi Ka Agaman".--DhyanAntar 05:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

So with the 3rd talk having so many problems, best to just scratch it and leave just the other three. This does not rule out more, especially like what happened in the afternoons? But for now, we await further developments. -- doofus-9 18:08, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


Shailendra says that this series has 5 talks...--DhyanAntar 05:21, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


Matching two titles of Sakshi Ki Sadhana with Neeten's dates can bring the big hope. And we have matching of all 5 chapters with other chapters of Sakshi.


Dates of the camp given in Letter written on 2 Dec 1966 (26-28 Dec) and then Chikaldhara camp mentioned in other Letter written on 23 Dec 1966, the last letter written before the camp, so it confirmes that dates were not changed.--DhyanAntar 02:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)