Talk:Dekh Kabira Roya (देख कबीरा रोया)

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event audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com (*0)
1979 book ed. (*1) Shailendra's PDF (*2) Oshoganga (*1) OW e-book (*3) Other book editions Dates & Places
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath ~ 01 #1 Asvikriti Mein Utha Hath 1. एक मृत महापुरुष का जन्म
missining greetings
1. एक मृत महापुरुष का जन्म
Bombay, 2 Dec 1968 (*4)
  • 1. एक मृत महापुरुष का जन्म
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 1. एक मृत महापुरुष का जन्म
  • 1. एक मृत महापुरुष का जन्म
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 1. एक मृत महापुरुष का जन्म
1. एक मृत महापुरुष का जन्म 2 Dec 1968 pm, Bombay (*4)
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath ~ 02 #2 Asvikriti Mein Utha Hath 2. संचेतना के ठोस आयाम 4. संचेतना के ठोस आयाम
Bombay, 3 Dec 1968 (*4)
  • 2. संचेतना के ठोस आयाम
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 2. संचेतना के ठोस आयाम
  • 2. संचेतना के ठोस आयाम
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 2. संचेतना के ठोस आयाम
4. संचेतना के ठोस आयाम
Bombay, 3 Dec 1968 (*4)
3 Dec 1968 am, Bombay (*4)
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath ~ 03 #3 Asvikriti Mein Utha Hath 3. एक और असहमति 2. एक और असहमति
Bombay, 2 Dec 1968 (*4)
  • 3. एक और असहमति
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 3. एक और असहमति
  • 3. एक और असहमति
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 3. एक और असहमति
2. एक और असहमति 3 Dec 1968 pm, Bombay (*4)
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath ~ 04 #4 Asvikriti Mein Utha Hath 4. लकीरों से हट कर 7. लकीरों से हटकर
Bombay, 5 Dec 1968 (*4)
  • 4. लकीरों से हट कर
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 4. लकीरों से हट कर
  • 4. लकीरों से हट कर
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 4. लकीरों से हट कर
7. लकीरों से हटकर 4 Dec 1968 am, Bombay (*4)
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath ~ 05 #5 Asvikriti Mein Utha Hath 5. अतीत के मरघट से मुक्ति 3. अतीत के मरघट से मुक्ति
Bombay, 3 Dec 1968 (*4)
  • 5. अतीत के मरघट से मुक्ति
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 5. अतीत के मरघट से मुक्ति
  • 5. अतीत के मरघट से मुक्ति
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 5. अतीत के मरघट से मुक्ति
3. अतीत के मरघट से मुक्ति 4 Dec 1968 pm, Bombay (*4)
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath ~ 06 #6 Asvikriti Mein Utha Hath 6. तोड़ने का एक और उपक्रम 5. तोड़ने का एक और उपक्रम
Bombay, 4 Dec 1968 (*4)
  • 6. तोड़ने का एक और उपक्रम
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 6. तोड़ने का एक और उपक्रम
  • 6. तोड़ने का एक और उपक्रम
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 6. तोड़ने का एक और उपक्रम
5. तोड़ने का एक और उपक्रम
Bombay, 4 Dec 1968 (*4)
5 Dec 1968 am, Bombay (*4)
Ek Ek Kadam ~ 04 Ek Ek Kadam #4 Ek Ek Kadam 4. अहिंसा का सार है--प्रेम 6. उगती हुई जमीन
Bombay, 4 Dec 1968 (*4)
  • 7. उगती हुई जमीन
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 7. उगती हुई जमीन (*5)
    end incomplete
  • Ek Ek Kadam 4. अहिंसा का सार है--प्रेम
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 7. उगती हुई जमीन (*5)
end incomplete
6. उगती हुई जमीन
Bombay, 4 Dec 1968 (*4)
≤ 1970 (*4)
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath ~ 08 not available Asvikriti Mein Utha Hath 7. अँधेरे कूपों मैं हलचल
"Audio Not Available"
8. अंधेरे कूपों में हलचल
Bombay, 5 Dec 1968 (*4)
  • 8. अंधेरे कूपों में हलचल
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 8. अंधेरे कूपों में हलचल
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 8. अंधेरे कूपों में हलचल not available 1968 or 1969 ?, Bombay ? (*4), (*6)
Gandhiwaad Ek Aur Sameeksha ~ 01 #9
beginning incomplete
1. गांधी का चिंतन अवैज्ञानिक है (*7)
beginning incomplete
9. गांधी का चिन्तन अवैज्ञानिक है
Baroda, 13 Feb 1969 (*8)
9. गांधी का चिंतन अवैज्ञानिक है
beginning incomplete
9. गांधी का चिंतन अवैज्ञानिक है
beginning incomplete
9. गांधी का चिंतन अवैज्ञानिक है (p.80: first 5 paragraphs are available only, from 6th paragraph ch.28 starts) Gandhiwaad: Ek Aur Sameeksha (गांधीवाद : एक और समीक्षा), 1974ed, ch.1
Baroda, 14 Feb 1969
14 Feb 1969, Baroda (now Vadodara)
Gandhiwaad Ek Aur Sameeksha ~ 02 #10 2. मेरी दृष्टि में रचनात्मक क्या है? 10. मेरी दृष्टि में रचनात्मक क्या है ?
Baroda, 14 Feb 1969
10. मेरी दृष्टि में रचनात्मक क्या है? 10. मेरी दृष्टि में रचनात्मक क्या है? Gandhiwaad: Ek Aur Sameeksha (गांधीवाद : एक और समीक्षा), 1974ed, ch.2
Baroda, 14 Feb 1969
14 Feb 1969, Baroda (now Vadodara)
Gandhiwaad Ek Aur Sameeksha ~ 03 #11 3. गांधीवाद ही नहीं, वाद मात्र के विरोध में हूं 11. गांधीवाद ही नहीं, वाद मात्र के विरोध में हूं
Baroda, 13 Feb 1969
11. गांधीवाद ही नहीं, वाद मात्र के विरोध में हूं 11. गांधीवाद ही नहीं, वाद मात्र के विरोध में हूं Gandhiwaad: Ek Aur Sameeksha (गांधीवाद : एक और समीक्षा), 1974ed, ch.3
Baroda, 13 Feb 1969
13 Feb 1969, Baroda (now Vadodara)
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 12 #12 4. समाजवाद का पहला कदम: पूंजीवाद 12. समाजवाद का पहला कदम : पूंजीवाद
missing last short question
Bombay, 5 Mar 1970
12. समाजवाद का पहला कदमः पूंजीवाद 12. समाजवाद का पहला कदम: पूंजीवाद 5 Mar 1970, Bombay
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 13 #13 5. समाजवाद: पूंजीवाद का विकास 13. समाजवाद : पूंजीवाद का विकास
missing first question itself, text starts from the response
Rajkot, 7 Mar 1970
13. समाजवादः पूंजीवाद का विकास 13. समाजवाद: पूंजीवाद का विकास 7 Mar 1970, Rajkot
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 14 #14
beginning incomplete
6. पूंजीवाद का दर्शन (*7)
beginning incomplete
14. पूंजीवाद का दर्शन
beginning incomplete; end much incomplete
Bombay, 16 Apr 1970
14. पूंजीवाद का दर्शन
beginning incomplete
14. पूंजीवाद का दर्शन
beginning incomplete; end much incomplete
16 Apr 1970 om**, Bombay (*9)
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 15 #15
missing beginning and at least first half of last question
7. भौतिक समृद्धि: अध्यात्म का आधार
missing beginning and at least first half of last question
15. भौतिक समृद्धि : आध्यात्म का आधार (*10)
missing beginning and at least first half of last question
Nargol, 5 May 1970
  • 15. भौतिक समृद्धि: अध्यात्म का आधार
    missing beginning and at least first half of last question
  • Naye Bharat Ki Khoj 8. अच्छे लोग और अहित
    (complete)
  • 7. तोडने का एक उपक्रम (*11)
    missing beginning and at least first half of last question
  • 15. भौतिक समृद्धि अध्यात्म का आधार
    missing beginning and at least first half of last question
Naye Bharat Ki Khoj (नये भारत की खोज), 2012ed, ch.6 5 May 1970, Nargol
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 16 #16
perhaps missing first question, then the event starts with its response
8. विध्वंस: सृजन का प्रारंभ
perhaps missing first question, then the event starts with its response
16. विध्वंस : सृजन का प्रारम्भ
perhaps missing first question, then the event starts with its response
Surat, 22 May 1970
16. विध्वंसः सृजन का प्रारंभ
perhaps missing first question, then the event starts with its response
  • 8. विध्वंस: सृजन का प्रारंभ
    perhaps missing first question, then the event starts with its response
  • 16. विध्वंस: सृजन का प्रारंभ
    perhaps missing first question, then the event starts with its response
22 May 1970, Surat
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 17 #17
first 3 min untranscribed (introductory and chat)
9. असली अपराधी: राजनीतिज्ञ
first 3 min untranscribed (introductory and chat)
17. असली अपराधी : राजनीतिज्ञ
missing last short 2 questions
Bombay, 18 Jul 1970
17. असली अपराधीः राजनीतिज्ञ 17. असली अपराधी: राजनीतिज्ञ
missing last short 2 questions
18 Jul 1970, Bombay
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 18 #18 10. प्रेम-विवाह: जातिवाद का अंत 18. प्रेम-विवाह : जातिवाद का अंत
missing last short 4 questions
Ahmedabad, 9 Aug 1970
18. प्रेम-विवाहः जातिवाद का अंत 18. प्रेम-विवाह: जातिवाद का अंत
missing last short 4 questions
9 Aug 1970, Ahmedabad
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 19 #19 11. परस्पर-निर्भरता और विश्व-नागरिकता
missing first sentence; a part of another talk 1:20:23-1:20:31 (distorted)
19. परस्पर-निर्भरता और विश्व नागरिकता
missing first sentence; end incomplete
Ahmedabad, 10 Aug 1970 (*13)
19. परस्पर-निर्भरता और विश्व नागरिकता 19. परस्पर-निर्भरता और विश्व नागरिकता
missing first sentence; end incomplete
11 Aug 1970, Ahmedabad (*12)
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 20 #20
incomplete
12. वैज्ञानिक विकास और बदलते जीवन-मूल्य
incomplete
20. वैज्ञानिक विकास और बदलते जीवन-मूल्य
missing last sentence
Bombay, 8 Sep 1970
20. वैज्ञानिक विकास और बदलते जीवन-मूल्य 20. वैज्ञानिक विकास और बदलते जीवन-मूल्य
missing last sentence
8 Sep 1970, Bombay
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 21 #21 13. गांधीवादी कहां हैं? 21. गांधीवादी कहां हैं ?
Bombay, 19 Jul 1969
21. गांधीवादी कहां हैं? 21. गांधीवादी कहां हैं? 19 Jul 1969 pm, K.C. College, Bombay
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 22 #22 14. विचार-क्रांति की भूमिका 22. विचार-क्रान्ति की भूमिका
missing last short 3 questions
Baroda, 14 Aug 1969
22. विचार-क्रांति की भूमिका 22. विचार-क्रांति की भूमिका
missing last short 3 questions
14 Aug 1969, Vadodara (Baroda)
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 23 #23 15. गांधी की रुग्ण-दृष्टि 23. गांधी की रुग्ण-दृष्टि
Surendranagar, 11 Nov 1969
23. गांधी की रुग्ण-दृष्टि 23. गांधी की रुग्ण-दृष्टि 11 Nov 1969, Surendranagar
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 24 (*13) #24 16. राष्ट्रभाषा: अ-लोकतांत्रिक 24. राष्ट्रभाषा : अ-लोकतांत्रिक
Ahmedabad, 25 Dec 1969
24. राष्ट्रभाषाः अ-लोकतांत्रिक 24. राष्ट्रभाषा: अ-लोकतांत्रिक 25 Dec 1969 om**, Ahmedabad
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 25 #25 17. समाजवाद: परिपक्व पूंजीवाद का परिणाम 25. समाजवाद : परिपक्व पूंजीवाद का परिणाम
Ahmedabad, 26 Dec 1969
25. समाजवादः परिपक्व पूंजीवाद का परिणाम 25. समाजवाद: परिपक्व पूंजीवाद का परिणाम 26 Dec 1969 om**, Ahmedabad
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 26 not available 18. गांधीवाद: दरिद्रता का दर्शन
end incomplete
26. गांधीवाद : दरिद्रता का दर्शन
missing at least first 2,5 paragraphs and last 2,5 paragraphs
Bombay, 3 Nov 1968 (*14)
26. गांधीवादः दरिद्रता का दर्शन
beginning and end incomplete
(chapter not available) 3 Dec 1968Q-Mark.jpg, Bombay (*14)
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 27 #27 19. गांधी पर पुनर्विचार 27. गांधी पर पुनर्विचार
Jabalpur, 7 Dec 1968
27. गांधी पर पुनर्विचार 27. गांधी पर पुनर्विचार 7 Dec 1968, Jabalpur
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 28 Naye Samaj Ki Khoj #14 20. अनिवार्य संतति-नियमन 28. अनिवार्य संतति-नियमन
missing first 3 sentences and last 6 questions
Baroda, 15 Feb 1967 (*15)
28. अनिवार्य संतति-नियमन 28. अनिवार्य संतति-नियमन
missing first 3 sentences and last 6 questions
9. गांधी का चिंतन अवैज्ञानिक है (second part of the chapter (from 6th paragraph): p.80-114) 22 May 1970, Surat (*15)
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 29 not available 21. "Audio Not Available" 29. गांधी से मुक्ति
Bombay, 1967
29. गांधी से मुक्ति (chapter not available) 1967, Bombay
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 30 #30 (*17)
missing first sentence
22. गांधी से मुक्ति (*16) (*17)
missing first sentence
30. देख कबीरा रोया
missing last part with questions
Bombay, 1967
30. देख कबीरा रोया 30. देख कबीरा रोया
missing last part with questions
1967, Bombay
notes
(*0) This material is not available in the Osho.com text-library.
(*1) Questions asked in English translated to Hindi. Answers are in Hindi.
(*2) Question asked in English are shown as transliteration via devanagari.
(*3) In spite of TOC with 30ch. in beginning of OW e-book there is only chapters 1-7, beginning of ch.9 that jumps without any break to ch.28.
(*4) It seems dates in this later edition (1979) was involved, while 1972 (Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath) and 1974 editions (Bharat, Gandhi Aur Main) has no dates, and are incorrect. Because:
  • view of text of Aswikriti on its talk page shows unity of first 6 events and two next additional chapters. Other good argument about two additional talks is including 7th event in Ek Ek Kadam series in audio series and ebook of Aswikriti;
  • order of chapters in this edition as well as in other two editions is not chronological, but dates given in the edition: 2 talks per day. According to view of extracts (see Talk:Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath (अस्वीकृति में उठा हाथ)) first event was evening and second - on next morning.
Hindi series of talks with dates (source document) gives info that there is 6 talks from 2 to 5 Dec 1968. It looks truthfully: talk in Rajkot on 1 Dec, returning to Bombay and evening talk on 2 Dec, 3-4 Dec - two talks/day, last talk on 5 Dec on morning. As first discourse was evening then in the morning q/a session, therefore this order (evening discourse + q/a on next day) was respected in first 6 events, we will keep this time model for talks until other reliable source will appear.
Some other sources says 4 talks on 2-3 Dec, which not pass well with first talk in evening (on first day of 3-day session). Or it is possible with other addional talk on 3 Dec, i.e. three talks on that date? Unclear.
(*5) These texts have been edited.
(*6) This date can be 5 Dec 1968, as Jagdish says. But Osho Timeline 1968 is overloaded with event on the date and it seems they are not related with current ch.8.
(*7) Actual durations of audios differs from osho.com data: 1st audio - 48min, osho.com - 56min; 6th audio - 102min, osho.com - 94min.
(*8) Date is incorrect. Correct date, 14 Feb 1969, stated in 1974ed. of Gandhiwaad: Ek Aur Sameeksha, see its talk.
(*9) "om", early afternoon seems fit well as in morning meditation and evening is occupied too.
(*10) Third word is incorrect, it should be "अध्यात्म".
(*11) Chapter title does not match to its content.
(*12) It seems it listed in Hindi series of talks with dates (source document) as "Osho Socialism/India" on 11 Aug 1970. As 10 Aug is occupied by 3 events and theme of this event match with socialism and no other event-candidates for "Osho Socialism/India", the date changed from 10 Aug to 11 Aug.
(*13) "This is a personal interview by an expert in language and communication skill." - source is Shailendraji.
(*14) Osho was given meditation med.camp during 1-3 Nov 1968. It is very unlikely he talked on Gandhi on one of dates. Place Bombay is confirming this uncertainty. Perhaps it was in Dec?
(*15) 1967 year that stated in 1979ed. is unlikely as Osho was in Jabalpur on 15 Feb 1967. Accurate enough Hindi series of talks with dates (source document) says "Santati Niyaman" talk was on 22.05.1970. In the beginning interviewer said that this is third visit in this place. According on the date it is Surat and it is confirmed by previous Osho's visits there: on 25 Dec 1962 and 28-30 Jun 1967. There was a question in Gijarati too. Baroda, place stated in 1979ed., looks unlikely, Osho was in Baroda on 8-10 Jan 1968, 8 Sep 1968 (and maybe on 17-19 Sep 1968 too?), 12-15 Feb 1969, 14-18 Aug 1969. "Santati Niyaman" is main part of chapter title. Combining info of place and title gives strong evidence for 22 May 1970 in Surat. Shailendra confirmes it: "MOST PROBABLY YES. Note: Osho stopped travelling after 21st March 1974, when he came to Poona ashram. Therefore the year can not be 1979."
(*16) The audio is in Khajana collection as #21.
(*17) In the audio (OW at 13:53, Osho.com/Khajana collection at 14:01) there is a small gap and a change in quality that could suggest another event starting. A rough translation of the text makes it probable though that it is the continuation of the same event. Just after farewell silence and then text "If you have any questions, ask." (This is only in text versions, but not present on audio as it seems). The questions themselves seem missing or inaudible, but then Osho starts answering questions.

Deliberations

The (partial) e-book at Osho World and other fine sites which have copied from it does a lot to confirm the basic structure of Dekh, and likely its one-time publication. It is unusual in these e-books to have such a clear TOC, with page numbers and sections. Unfortunately, it does not have the whole book's text, only about one quarter of it, and in that only three dates and places for the talks, but that too helps to confirm its basic era. Neeten's Appendix section also has a couple of mentions of Dekh: one with dates overlapping those of the e-book gives four talks on Dec 2 and 3, 1968. They fit very well if applied to the first four chapters. Neeten's other mention is more of a smilie-btw: the soundtrack of that Bollywood flick was among Osho's collection of LP's that he listened to regularly in the 60s.

The e-book's TOC below appears after the foreword. Two systems of page numbers are referenced in it: The main one gives page numbers for each of the thirty chapters, and strongly suggests a one-time hard copy of the three-in-one version of Dekh. The sporadic one, with numbers in parentheses, references pages of the e-book where particular info is found. -- doofus-9 (talk) 17:06, 20 December 2014 (PST)


Shailendra has come along with some info on Dekh. He says that discourse #21 is Where Are the Gandhians?, putting it on Jul 19, 1969. This has more or less been confirmed via audio research, and for that matter, it can be seen in the TOC table below. See WatG's talk page for details.

A second column has been added to the TOC to represent osho.com and Osho World audiobook offerings. Both have discourses in the same order, paralleling that of the e-book, but excluding Aswikriti, which is offered separately by o.com and not at all by OW. Thus the e-book's ch 9 = the audiobook's discourse 1, and so on. They are each missing some chapters / discourses, indicated with an *, but each chapter is available at one or the other, except for #7 & 8 from Aswikriti. -- doofus-9 03:03, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Chapter number, name, page-numbers in the book OSHO.com audio OW audio
Foreword by Ashakarana Pathak
अनुक्रम (TOC):

Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath (अस्वीकृति में उठा हाथ)
1. एक मृत महापुरुष का जन्मा 1-15
2. एक और असहमति 17-28
3. अतीत के मरघट से मुक्ति 29-41
4. संचेतना के ठोस आयाम 43-56 -- Mumbai, 3 Dec 1968 (p 50)
5. तोड़ने का एक और उपक्रम 57-68 -- Mumbai, 4 Dec 1968 (p 59)
6. उगती हुई जमीन 69-80 -- Mumbai, 4 Dec 1968 (p 70)
7. लकीरों से हट कर 81-92
8. अंधेरे कूपों में हलचल 93-102 -- This chapter omitted in e-book



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10. मेरी दृष्टि में रचनात्मक क्या है 117-130
11. गांधीवाद ही नहीं, वाद मात्र के विरोध में हूं 131-146


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12. समाजवाद का पहला कदम: पूंजीवाद 147-172
13. समाजवाद: पूंजीवाद का विकास 173-190
14. पूंजीवाद का दर्शन 191-205
15. भौतिक समृद्धि: अध्यात्म का आधार 207-219
16. विध्वंस: सृजन का प्रारंभ 221-235
17. असली अपराधी: राजनीतिज्ञ 237-260
18. प्रेम-विवाह: जातिवाद का अंत 261-272
19. परस्पर-निर्भरता और विश्व नागरिकता 273-290
20. वैज्ञानिक विकास और बदलते जीवन-मूल्य 291-305
21. गांधीवादी कहां हैं ? 307-325
22. विचार-क्रांति की भूमिका 327-341
23. गांधी की रुग्ण-दृष्टि 343-358
24. राष्ट्रभाषा: अ-लोकतांत्रिक 359-377
25. समाजवाद: परिपक्व पूंजीवाद का परिणाम 379-392
26. गांधीवाद: दरिद्रता का दर्शन 393-406
27. गांधी पर पुनर्विचार 407-424
28. अनिवार्य संतति-नियमन 425-437 (p.80-114)
29. गांधी से मुक्ति 439-447
30. देख कबीरा रोया 449-452


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Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): "Gandhi par Punar, 1 talk, 07.12.68". It seems ch.27.

Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): 1. Santati Niyaman [Birth Control]; 2) Child Education, 2 talks, 22-26.05.70". Birth control chapter can be ch.28 of Dekh Kabira Roya, ch.2 of Jansankhya Visphot (जनसंख्‍या विस्‍फोट), ch.7 of Ek Ek Kadam (एक एक कदम) or ?--DhyanAntar 04:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

See footnote 15 in Current Understanding table above. "Santati Niyaman" looks as ch.28 of current series.--DhyanAntar 08:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): "Gandhi Vadi Kahan Hai?, 1 talk, 19.07.69", confirms ch.21 (see also discussion above). -- doofus-9 21:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


Today Shailendra gave dates on two talks:

Dekh Kabira Roya ch.16 (it is in osho.com audio order because this chapter numbered as ch.24 on OW and in 1979ed., meanwhile 1979ed. confirmes 25 Dec 1969, Ahmedabad): 25 Dec 1969 afternoon, Ahmedabad
Dekh Kabira Roya ch.17 (it's in osho.com audios order. Numbered as ch.25 on OW and in 1979ed., the latter confirmes 26 Dec 1969, Ahmedabad): 26 Dec 1969 afternoon, Ahmedabad

--DhyanAntar 11:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document): देख कबीरा रोया, 1 talk, Nargol, 5 May 1970. Judging by date and place it should be given in Nargol camp, series Jin Khoja Tin Paiyan (जिन खोजा तिन पाइयां). It is unclear relation it with ch.30.--DhyanAntar 07:49, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

It should be ch.15 of the series as date and place match with 1979ed. (see Current Understanding table above).--DhyanAntar 09:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Shailendra's e-book has the same TOC except the order of first 8 chapters: 1-1, 2-3, 3-5, 4-2, 5-6, 6-7, 7-4, 8-8 .--DhyanAntar 07:51, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


And fwiw, this different order of chapter numbers corresponds to the audiobook offerings on osho.com, EXCEPT that a) they have no #8, b) #6's title is not found in their aggregation, c) they have used #8's title (अँधेरे कूपों मैं हलचल) for their #7 but it is still unavailable, and d) they have made #7 available by making it #4. -- doofus-9 18:54, 22 December 2018 (UTC)