Talk:Dharm Aur Anand (धर्म और आनंद)

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Current Understanding

event audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com
Shailendra's PDF Oshoganga book editions Dates & Places
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 01 #1 1. स्वयं पर श्रद्धा करें 1. स्वयं पर श्रद्धा करें 1. (no title) Shunya Ka Darshan (शून्य का दर्शन) ch.4 (Diamond ed.), shortened a little 25 Apr 1964 am, Bombay
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 02 #2 2. वृत्ति का निरोध योग है 2. वृत्ति का निरोध योग है 2. (no title) Shunya Ka Darshan (शून्य का दर्शन) ch.1 (Diamond ed.) 15 Apr 1965, 8:15, Ghatkopar, Bombay
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 03 #3 3. आपका स्वरूप आनंद है 3. आपका स्वरूप आनंद है 3. (no title) 12 Oct 1968, 8:45, Alankar Theatre, Poona
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 04 #4
incomplete
4. आत्मिक क्रांति के चरण
incomplete
4. आत्मिक क्रांति के चरण 4. (no title) 12 Oct 1968 pm, Poona
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 05 #5 5. मिथ्या साधन पहुंचाते नहीं 5. मिथ्या साधन पहुंचाते नहीं 5. मिथ्या साधना पहुंचाते नहीं 1960s ?
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 06 #6 6. हर वासना अनंत के लिए है 6. हर वासना अनंत के लिए है 6. हर वासना अनंत के लिए है 1960s ?
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 07 Panth Prem Ko Atpato #1 7. भीतर है आनंद 7. भीतर है आनंद Panth Prem Ko Atpato (पंथ प्रेम को अटपटो), 1980ed., ch.1 25 Jul 1965 am, Wadhwan, Surendranagar (*1)
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 08 #7 8. आंतरिक परिवर्तन का विज्ञान 8. आंतरिक परिवर्तन का विज्ञान 7. आंतरिक परिवर्तन का विज्ञान Moulik Kranti (मौलिक क्रान्ति) 1994ed. p.I ch.8 24 Jul 1965 xm**, Town Hall, Surendranagar (*2)
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 09 #8 9. हर क्रिया जागे हुए करें 8. (no title) Satya Ki Pahli Kiran (सत्य की पहली किरण) 1995ed. ch.4 (partly) 17 Jan 1967 am, Sagar Pragati Mandal, Ahmedabad (*3)
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 10 #9 9. मध्य-बिंदु की खोज 10. मध्य-बिंदु की खोज ch.9 and ch.10. are the same
no titles
23 Nov 1966 am, Rashtriya Vidya Shala Bombay

(*1) source of date and city is Panth Prem Ko Atpato (पंथ प्रेम को अटपटो) 1980ed., which confirmed by T.R.E.M.O. (source document), although there is stated theme "Essence of Love", but Osho talking about Joy ("Anand"), it can be because not good enough translation of T.R.E.M.O., so it needs to check Hindi original of Gyan Bhed. Morning time of the talk confirmed by text and Letter written on 25 Jul 1965 om.

(*2) date is required a confirmation. Source of date/place is Jagdish (image below), then corrected to 24 Jul according to Letter written on 25 Jul 1965 om. "Xm" time also was corrected according to the letter and Jagdish's "8:15". Text of discourse states that this is evening talk.

(*3) source of date and city is Jagdish info for Sukh Aur Shanti (सुख और शांति) (ch.8), source of place is Manuscripts ~ Reports. Date from Jagdish on this series, "17 Jan 1966, Ahmedabad", looks very close to his Sukh data ecept year. 1966 looks very unlikely as Timeline does not confirm presence Osho on that day in Ahmedabad or Gujarat.

Deliberations

About the e-book, Osho World lists it among its collection but then says it is not available. It is said to be available at other, non-sannyasin pdf file-sharing places but i chose not to try going through their hoops. Otherwise, the audios are it. -- Sarlo (talk) 00:29, 22 July 2014 (PDT)


Dharm Aur Anand 1-9 D&P.jpg
प्रवचन (TOC):
1. स्वयं पर श्रद्धा करें
2. वृत्ति का निरोध योग है
3. आपका स्वरूप आनंद है
4. आत्मिक क्रांति के चरण
5. मिथ्या साधन पहुंचाते नहीं
6. हर वासना अनंत के लिए है
7. भीतर है आनंद
8. आंतरिक परिवर्तन का विज्ञान
9. मध्य-बिंदु की खोज


TOC from Shailendra's e-book:

first 8 chapters are the same as above
9. हर क्रिया जागे हुए करें
10. मध्य-बिंदु की खोज

Dates and Places image added, source Jagdish. It is not clear whether #9 is according to the earlier version above or Shailendra's version but seems likely the former, as Jagdish's version has only nine talks, like the first one above. -- doofus-9 19:34, 15 December 2018 (UTC)


No. 7th event (osho.com audio 7 and Shailendra's PDF ch.7) has date 7 June: place and date confirmed by Panth Prem Ko Atpato (पंथ प्रेम को अटपटो) RF 1980 edition. So it seems 9 dates from Jagdish belong to osho.com audios. But it is possible that last date from Jagdish can be either for 9th or for 10th event.

9th event (OW audio #8, Shailendra's PDF ch.9) is ch.8 of Sukh Aur Shanti (सुख और शांति), the last has date 17 Jan 1967 am in Ahmedabad. On the image above we can see 17 Jan 1966 Ahmedabad. These dates differ in year and they seem correct as Osho was going to Ahmedabad in Jan 1966, it mentioned in Letter written on 12 Jan 1966: "Allahabad's program is likely to be postponed due to the untimely demise of Shyastriji", second Prime-Minister, who died 11 Jan. No conflicts found in Timeline with this 1966 Ahmedabad event.

All this means that Jagdish used 9-ch-model of osho.com and talk #9 is 10th event. I think the reason why one event is missing in collection (only Shailendra gave all 10 chapters) is that dates of two events look very similar and difference in year is incorrect info, so they could count as the same event.--DhyanAntar 04:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)