Talk:Ek Ek Kadam (एक एक कदम)

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2000, 2002 book ed. (*5) Shailendra's PDF Osho.com library Oshoganga OshoWorld e-book Dates & Places
Ek Ek Kadam ~ 01 #1 1. भारत का भाग्य 1. भारत का भाग्य 1. भारत का भाग्य 16 Feb 1969?, Anand (GJ)Q-Mark.jpg (Bombay?) (*4)
Ek Ek Kadam ~ 02 #2 2. असंतोष मार्ग है क्रांति का 2. असंतोष मार्ग है क्रांति का 2. असंतोष मार्ग है क्रांति का ≤ 1970
Ek Ek Kadam ~ 03 #3 3. विचार-क्रांति की आवश्यकता 5. विचार-क्रांति की आवश्यकता 3. विचार क्रांति की आवश्यकता 3. विचार-क्रांति की आवश्यकता 5. विचार क्रांति की आवश्यकता 5. विचार क्रांति की आवश्यकता ≤ 1970
Ek Ek Kadam ~ 04 #4 4. अहिंसा का सार है--प्रेम
  • 4. अहिंसा का सार है--प्रेम
  • Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 7. उगती हुई जमीन (text edited and incomplete)
4. अहिंसा का सार है--प्रेम Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath 7. उगती हुई जमीन (text edited and incomplete) ≤ 1970
Ek Ek Kadam ~ 05 #5 (*1) 5. सत्य है अनुभूति (*1) 5. सत्य है अनुभूति (*1) 5. सत्य है अनुभूति (*1) ≤ 1970
Samaj Parivartan Ke Chaurahe Par ~ 02 #6 (*2)
last sentence incomplete
Swarnapakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 5. (*2) "समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर: 1"
last sentence incomplete
6. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर perhaps it is missing
  • 6. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर
  • Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi 5. समाज परिवर्तन के चैराहे पर-1
6. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर 22 May 1970, Surat
Ek Ek Kadam ~ 06 #7
incomplete
6. संतति-नियमन
incomplete
7. संतति-नियमन
last paragraph is missing on audio, it looks as inserted where should be missing text in end of the talk (?)
6. संतति-नियमन
last paragraph is missing on audio, it looks as inserted where should be missing text in end of the talk
6. संतति-नियमन
last paragraph is missing on audio, it looks as inserted where should be missing text in end of the talk
7. संतति नियमन
last paragraph is missing on audio, it looks as inserted where should be missing text in end of the talk
7. संतति नियमन
last paragraph is missing on audio, it looks as inserted where should be missing text in end of the talk
≤ 1970
Ek Ek Kadam ~ 07 7. जिज्ञासा, सहस और अभीप्सा
"Audio Not Available"
2. जिज्ञासा साहस और अभीप्सा 7. जिज्ञासा, साहस और अभीप्सा 7. जिज्ञासा, साहस और अभीप्सा 2. जिज्ञासा साहस और अभीप्सा 2. जिज्ञासा साहस और अभीप्सा ≤ 1970
Anant Ki Pukar ~ 03 Anant Ki Pukar #2 Anant Ki Pukar 3. कार्यकर्ता की विशेष तैयारी 1. एक एक कदम Anant Ki Pukar 2. एक एक कदम Anant Ki Pukar 3. एक एक कदम
  • 1. (no title)
  • Anant Ki Pukar 2. एक एक कदम
1. एक एक कदम 24 Dec 1967 om**, Lonavala
Bharat Ka Bhavishya ~ 12 Bharat Ka Bhavishya #10 Bharat Ka Bhavishya 10. क्या भारत धार्मिक है? 3. क्या भारत धार्मिक है? Bharat Ka Bhavishya 12. क्या भारत धार्मिक है?
  • 3. क्या भारत धार्मिक है?
  • Bharat Ka Bhavishya 12. (no title)
3. क्या भारत धार्मिक है? 30 Sep 1968 am, Vile Parle, Bombay (*3)
Anant Ki Pukar ~ 06 Anant Ki Pukar #6 Anant Ki Pukar 6. संगठन और धर्म 4. संगठन और धर्म Anant Ki Pukar 6. संगठन और धर्म Anant Ki Pukar 6. संगठन और धर्म
  • 4. संगठन और धर्म
  • Anant Ki Pukar 6. संगठन और धर्म
4. संगठन और धर्म 31 Oct 1968 am, Nargol, meditation camp
notes
(*1) event incomplete?
(*2) In OA, there was an error: "Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #18" was available as s023, but the Osho.com intro says it is "Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi #05". (This same error is in the Khajana collection s038: there it was copied from OA :-)
And the audio we are talking about is indeed the same as OA's (s023) "Ek Ek Kadam #06".
Remove this note when correcting OA-audio ready.
(*3) Source of date and place is a list Rabia Osho books (source document). Date also confirmed by Hindi series of talks with dates (source document). Both lists listed this talk as "Kya Bharat Dharmik Hai". See Talk:Bharat Ka Bhavishya (भारत का भविष्य).
(*4) Source of date is 1980 ed. of Mati Kahai Kumhar Sun (माटी कहै कुम्हार सूं). Copyrights in OMI e-book confirmes year 1969. However it seems Osho was in Bombay in that time, so either place or date is incorrect.
(*5) Comparison based on chapter titles of these two editions as we have no accesse to book copy.


Shailendra - Osho's Hindi books (source document): "7 talks, 1967". Chapter 1 does not belong to this period. It is unclear if other do.--DhyanAntar 10:07, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Deliberations

See also the June 2017 update below.

Two TOCs for the price of one! One from Osho World's e-book, one from osho.com's audiobook. A discussion follows.

    e-book
1. एक एक कदम
2. जिज्ञासा साहस और अभीप्सा  
3. क्या भारत धार्मिक है?
4. संगठन और धर्म
5. विचार क्रांति की आवश्यकता
6. समाज परिवर्तन के चौराहे पर
7. संतति नियमन
    osho.com audiobook
0: [see also update below]
1: भारत का भाग्य
2: असंतोष मार्ग है क्रांति का
3: विचार-क्रांति की आवश्यकता  
4: अहिंसा का सार है--प्रेम
5: सत्य है अनुभूति
6: संतति-नियमन

A number of the chapter titles have fairly political connotations. It is for this reason that the category was changed, from Meditation to Politics and Society. Some specifics:

One that really stands out is ch 6 of the e-book, "At the Crossroads of Social Change," which serves also as a chapter title in Swarn Pakhi Tha Jo Kabhi Aur Ab Hai Bhikhari Jagat Ka (स्वर्ण पाखी था जो कभी और अब है भिखारी जगत का) (twice, ie for two consecutive chapters) and Dharm Aur Rajneeti (धर्म और राजनीति), both fiercely political books. But all the titles in the e-book have political overtones except the first, which is also the title of the book. That chapter is very short in the e-book and non-existent in the audiobook. It could refer to any kind of change, personal or social, so as a unifying theme for the whole book, it would take on the prevailing tone of the rest of the chapters.

In the audiobook, some titles are different, so the political angle is not so evident. But there are two chapters with the word "revolution" in them, the last chapter is on birth control, always a good hot-button social change topic, and the first title, "India's fate," is frankly political. So all-in-all ...

About the presumption of before 1971, this has to do with Osho's salutations in his discourses: his greeting at the beginning and sign-off at the end. Laherubhai tells a story reported by Neeten's Osho Source Book (Bombay section) of a speech at Osho's birthday celebration in Dec 1970 wherein the speaker made some suggestion about Osho's salutations and after that they stopped (not what the speaker wanted!) Thus their presence or absence can be used as a crude dating criterion. -- doofus-9 (talk) 23:25, 25 December 2014 (PST)


Since the above was written, osho.com has updated their track listings to include a seventh discourse title (though still unavailable), जिज्ञासा, साहस और अभीप्सा, not particularly political but does not contradict anything, and still different from the earlier version of Ek Ek Kadam. Osho World also has these seven titles. -- doofus-9 08:11, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): 1. Santati Niyaman [Birth Control]; 2) Child Education, 2 talks, 22-26.05.70". Birth control is ch.28 of Dekh Kabira Roya (देख कबीरा रोया). Other talks on this subject are: ch.7 of Ek Ek Kadam (एक एक कदम), ch.2 of Jansankhya Visphot (जनसंख्‍या विस्‍फोट), ch.1 of Phir Amrit Ki Boond Padi (फिर अमरित की बूंद पड़ी) (5 talks).--DhyanAntar 04:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)--updated.--DhyanAntar 08:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

June 2017 major update:

As we have seen above, the audio and book titles do not match up, at all really. There is only one title in common. It turns out that that's only the beginning of the convoluted and confusing story that is Ek Ek Kadam. The co-incidence of chapter titles between EEK and Swarn Pakhi is the tip of the iceberg of another aspect of this story. It has no fewer than four chapter titles in common with other books, and they are not only co-incidences of name, but the content is also the same. It makes EEK more a compilation than a true "first edition" of all-original material, hence its (on the surface perverse) inclusion in the Compilations category.

Shailendra has prepared a table (below) to make sense of it all, to track the various components. A summary:

As of Jun 2017, comparing older and recent audio and book versions:
No Change in Four Audios -- #1, #2, #4, #5,
Old Book chapter #7 became #6, and #2 became #7
Old Book chapter #6 became Swarn Pakhi #05
Old Book chapters #1, #3 & #4 dropped, as they already existed in other books.
Audios Old Book chapters Now
#1 --- #1 No Change
#2 --- #2 No Change
#3 #5 #3
#4 --- #4 No Change
#5 --- #5 No Change
#6 #6 moved to Swarn Pakhi (New) as #05
#7 #7 became #6
#1 dropped – same as Anant Ki Pukar #3 (previous #2)
#2 became #7 (because audio is missing)
#3 dropped – same as Bharat Ka Bhavishya #10 changed to #12
#4 dropped – same as Anant Ki Pukar #6

The "now" version of the book referred to is presumed to be the 2002 edition. No later one could be found in a search today. Its page count is variously reported as 128, 146 and 152, which certainly suggests a slimmed-down version, nowhere near the seven original chapters. -- doofus-9 21:44, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


See Shifting content in Hindi books (source document) for chapters of the book in other series (to be checked).--DhyanAntar 12:14, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Checked and all results in Current Understanding table.--DhyanAntar 05:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)