Talk:Jeevan Geet (जीवन गीत)
|Shailendra's PDF||2015 book edition, Osho.com library||Oshoganga||Other book editions||Dates & Places (*3)|
|Jeevan Geet ~ 01||1. जीवन की भूमि
"audio not available"
|available in old 13-ch.-version of Jeevan Ki Kala as 5. जीवन की भूमि||1. जीवन की भूमि||1. जीवन की भूमि||27 Oct 1966 am, Bhonsale Military School, Nashik, meditation camp|
|Jeevan Geet ~ 02||Samadhi Kamal #9 (very bad quality)||2. ध्यान आंख के खुलने का उपाय है "audio quality is not good"||Samadhi Kamal 9. ध्यान आंख के खुलने का उपाय है||2. ध्यान आंख के खुलने का उपाय है||2. ध्यान आँख के उपाय है||Samadhi Kamal (समाधि कमल) 1999 and 2001ed. 9. ध्यान आंख के खुलने का उपाय है||27 Oct 1966 pm, Bhonsale Military School, Nashik, meditation camp|
|Jeevan Geet ~ 03||Samadhi Kamal, first part of #14
|3. विचारों से लड़ना मत, देखना "audio quality is not good"
||3. विचारों से लड़ना मत, देखना (*1)||3. विचारों से लड़नामत, देखना (*1)||Samadhi Kamal (समाधि कमल) 1999 and 2001ed., first part of 14. एकांत का मूल्य||28 Oct 1966 am, Bhonsale Military School, Nashik, meditation camp|
|Jeevan Geet ~ 04||Sakshi Ki Sadhana #13
missing beginning (*2)
|4. ध्यान का द्वार: सरलता
"audio quality is not good"
missing beginning (*2)
||4. ध्यान का द्वार: सरलता||4. ध्यान का द्वार:सरलता||28 Oct 1966 pm, Bhonsale Military School, Nashik, meditation camp|
|Jeevan Geet ~ 05||Samadhi Kamal, second part of #14
|5. प्रकृति से आत्मीयता
"audio quality is not good"
|Samadhi Kamal, second part of 14. एकांत का मूल्य (p.171-179)||5. एकांत का मूल्य||5. एकांत का मूल्य||Samadhi Kamal (समाधि कमल) 1999 and 2001ed., second part of 14. एकांत का मूल्य||29 Oct 1966 am, Bhonsale Military School, Nashik, meditation camp|
(*1) These sources includes Osho's explanations about meditation and meditation itself which are missing on audios. It starts from a middle of page 6. Oshoganga has this last part. On audios and Shailendra's PDF it is missing.
(*2) These sources have incomplete text, i.e. first 7,5 paragraphs are missing. RF 1980 ed. has incorrect date (Tulsishyam, Saurashtra, 6 Feb 1966). Text version of the event of 2015 book edition, Osho.com library and Oshoganga sources have complete text. Both audios are incomplete.
(*3) Osho mentions time of date (morning, evening) in his talks or gives hints on it. Source of exact place (Bhonsale Military School) is Jyoti Shikha (ज्योति शिखा) mag. (issue 3, Dec 1966, p.112). It gives dates 27, 28 and 29 Oct 1966. The source is more reliable as it is official publication and was published almost right after the events. The source contradicts below Jagdish's version and Shailendra's deliberation (28-30 Oct), see below.
Only source for info on this book is osho.com, which has only an audio offering. They provide titles for each mp3 / chapter but the first is not available and the others are of poor sound quality. -- doofus-9 17:23, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
- 1. जीवन की भूमि
- 2. ध्यान आंख के खुलने का उपाय है
- 3. विचारों से लड़ना मत, देखना
- 4. ध्यान का द्वार: सरलता
- 5. प्रकृति से आत्मीयता
As noted above, the audio is an incomplete record of this series of talks. Hopefully, the book is better, but it must be noted that the last chapter in the book has a different title than the audiobook's last mp3. (image above right, click to enlarge). Both are published by subsidiaries of OIF.
The camp in Nasik info comes from osho.com's e-book page, may not be easy to find. FWIW, their ch 5 title is as in the book. The date info of 1966 is based on the date of OIF's claimed copyright, may be presumptuous. -- doofus-9 08:38, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
New Dates and Places info from Jagdish establishes the dates but gives two versions of the location. However, he mentions Nashik -- that's how he spells it and that seems to be the G**gle standard -- in one of his versions, so that makes it fairly likely. So be it. -- doofus-9 21:46, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
This book seems a compilation of discourses published earlier. Shailendra told that:
- "जीवन गीत is 5 Talks from different books--
- जीवन की भूमि from जीवन की कला -5
- ध्यान आंख के खुलने का उपाय है from समाधि कमल-9
- विचारों से लड़ना मत, देखना from समाधि कमल-14 A
- ध्यान का द्वार: सरलता from चल हंसा उस देस-2
- एकांत का मूल्य from समाधि कमल-14 B"
But i could confirm only sources for ch.2, 5 and first part of ch.3. My matching beginnings-ends of rest chapters are not successful. So i marked them on main book page as "unidentified". This info can be useful: for comparing i used osho.com e-library (Jeevan Geet) and pdf file of Samadhi Kamal from Shailendra. (Maybe Shailendra used another sources for comparing?)
Samadhi Kamal has no dates and we cannot compare these two series through them. Maybe someone will compare audios?
If it is indeed a compilation, then we should remove events. Up to now the picture is not clear.--DhyanAntar 13:00, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Shailendra brought results of new researches, he confirmed my above rechecks.
- ch.1 of Jeevan Geet - not found in any book;
- ch.2 - Samadhi Kamal (समाधि कमल), ch.9;
- ch.3 - Samadhi Kamal (समाधि कमल), first part of ch.14 + meditation instructions by Osho (~4,5 pages of osho.com library), which are missing in ch.14 of Samadhi Kamal;
- ch.4 - Chal Hansa Us Des (चल हंसा उस देस), ch.2 but incomplete (in CHUD missing ~8 first paragraphs);
- ch.5 - Samadhi Kamal (समाधि कमल), second part of ch.14.
He also confirmed "place is Nasik" and "28-29-30 October seems to be correct, because it was Friday-Saturday-Sunday in 1966. Meditation camps were arranged mostly keeping SUNDAY or any other holiday in mind."
--DhyanAntar 08:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC) and updated by --DhyanAntar 13:03, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Today Shailendra confirmed above data on dates and previously published. Also he mentioned about incorrect info on osho.com:
- ध्यान साधना शिविर, तुलसीश्याम में ध्यान-प्रयोगों एवं प्रश्नोत्तर सहित हुई सीरीज के अंतर्गत दी गईं चार OSHO Talks
- (4 Talks at Tulsishyam in Feb. 1966)"
--DhyanAntar 14:24, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Above equivalency info for Jeevan Geet #4 / Chal Hansa #2 is unclear: Is Chal Hansa #2 the longer version + Jeevan Geet #4 the shorter or the reverse? -0- doofus-9 01:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Text of Chal Hansa ch.2 is shorter (missing beginning) than text of Jeevan Geet ch.4. Audios of OW and osho.com have the same incompleteness.--DhyanAntar 02:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)