Talk:Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र)

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Current Understanding

event audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com
2018 book ed. Shailendra's PDF Osho.com library Oshoganga (*1) Dates & Places
Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra ~ 01 #1 1. पहला सूत्र: जीवन क्या है? 1. जीवन क्या है? 1. जीवन क्या है? 1. जीवन क्या है? 1. जीवन क्या है? 30 May 1969 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra ~ 02 #2 2. दूसरा सूत्र: जीवन-ऊर्जा के प्रति सजगता 2. काम-ऊर्जा का ऊर्ध्वगमन 2. जीवन ऊर्जा के प्रति सजगता 2. काम-ऊर्जा का ऊर्ध्वगमन 2. जीवन ऊर्जा के प्रति सजगता 31 May 1969 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra ~ 03 #3 3. तीसरा सूत्र: जीवन-ऊर्जा का रूपांतरण 3. मनुष्य की चेतना का विज्ञान 3. जीवन ऊर्जा का रूपांतरण 3. मनुष्य की चेतना का विज्ञान 3. जीवन ऊर्जा का रूपांतरण 1 Jun 1969 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra ~ 04 #4 4. चौथा सूत्र: झूठी प्यासों से मुक्ति 4. झूठी प्यासों से सावधान! 4. झूठी प्यासों से मुक्ति 4. झूठी प्यासों से सावधान! 4. झूठी प्यासों से मुक्ति 2 Jun 1969 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Satya Ka Darshan ~ 01 #5 Satya Ka Darshan 1. चित्त का निरीक्षण Satya Ka Darshan 1. चित्त का निरीक्षण Satya Ka Darshan 1. चित्त का निरीक्षण (*2)
available first paragraph only
Satya Ka Darshan 1. चित्त का निरीक्षण 25 Aug 1968 am, Mangaldas Town Hall, Ahmedabad
Anand Ki Khoj ~ 03
  • #6 (incomplete)
  • Antar Ki Khoj #9
Anand Ki Khoj 3. विश्वास सबसे बड़ा बंधन Anand Ki Khoj 3. विश्वास--सबसे बड़ा बंधन not available Anand Ki Khoj 3. विश्वास-सबसे बड़ा बंधन 26 Aug 1968 am, Ahmedabad (*3)
Satya Ka Darshan ~ 02 #7
first sentence incomplete
Satya Ka Darshan 2. प्रेम है दान स्वयं का
missing first sentence after salutation
Satya Ka Darshan 2. प्रेम है दान स्वयं का
missing first sentence after salutation
not available Satya Ka Darshan 2. प्रेम है दान स्वयं का
missing first sentence after salutation
27 Aug 1968 am, Mangaldas Town Hall, Ahmedabad
Satya Ka Darshan ~ 03 #8 Satya Ka Darshan 3. परिस्थिति नहीं मनःस्थिति Satya Ka Darshan 3. परिस्थिति नहीं मनःस्थिति not available Satya Ka Darshan 3. परिस्थिति नहीं मनःस्थिति 4 Apr 1967 am, Hyderabad
Man Ka Darpan ~ 04 #9 Man Ka Darpan 4. जीवन यानी परमात्मा (*4)
  • Satya Ka Darshan 4. जीवन यानी परमात्मा
  • Man Ka Darpan 4. प्रभु तो द्वार पर ही खड़ा है
Man Ka Darpan 4. जीवन यानी परमात्मा Satya Ka Darshan 4. जीवन यानी परमात्मा 8 Sep 1967 am, Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
Satya Ka Darshan ~ 04 #10 Satya Ka Darshan 4. विचार नहीं, भाव है महत्वपूर्ण (*5) Satya Ka Darshan 5. विचार नहीं, भाव है महत्वपूर्ण not available Satya Ka Darshan 5. विचार नहीं, भाव है महत्वपूर्ण 22 Aug 1968 om**, Leonard Theological College, Jabalpur
notes
(*1) Oshoganga gives cover for other book Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र) (2).
(*2) Although osho.com library says that series contains from 5 talks, but lists ch.1 only.
(*3) Time "am" is from text of next talk of Anand Ki Khoj.
(*4) In Osho Khajana collection (i.e. pre-2012 osho.com) this audio is called Satya Ka Darshan #4 (of 6 audios in that series). In the current (2020) version of the Satya Ka Darshan-series on osho.com this audio has been removed and now there are only 5 audios.
(*5) In Osho Khajana collection (i.e. pre-2012 osho.com) this audio is called Satya Ka Darshan #5 (of 6 audios in that series). See note (*4).

Deliberations

Under the same title there is another series, which known in this Wiki as Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र) (2).--DhyanAntar.


Shailendra compared the audios of these 10 discourses and the 4 of Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र) (2) and has concluded they are completely different series.--DhyanAntar 06:00, 24 November 2018 (UTC)


TOC of 10 talks (source - Shailendra):

1.पहला सूत्रः जीवन क्या है?
2.दूसरा सूत्रः जीवन-ऊर्जा के प्रति सजगता
3.तीसरा सूत्रः जीवन-ऊर्जा का रूपांतरण
4.चौथा सूत्रः झूठी प्यासों से मुक्ति
5.पांचवां सूत्रः चित्त का निरीक्षण
6.छठवां सूत्रः धर्म के तीन सूत्र
7.सातवां सूत्रः प्रेम है दान स्वयं का
8.आठवां सूत्रः परिस्थिति नहीं मनःस्थिति
9.नौवां सूत्रः जीवन यानी परमात्मा
10.दसवां सूत्रः विचार नहीं, भाव है महत्वपूर्ण

He added: "talks 5, 7-10 were reprinted in सत्य का दर्शन Satya Ka Darshan. 5 chapter titles are same. Editor has changed only one title (sixth) from धर्म के तीन सूत्र (3 sutras of religion) to स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र (sutras of freedom). New title is more suitable to the discourse, as Osho is not talking on religion, but main subject is freedom, and He gives 3 sutras for it."--DhyanAntar 11:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


Ch.6 is ch.3 of Anand Ki Khoj (आनंद की खोज), source of this info - Shailendra. But i see they have different chapter titles.--DhyanAntar 11:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)


Now in are accounts from Jagdish of the two JKKSs. They deal only with Dates and Places but they are each complete and, though they are done separately, together they show clearly that these are not different series, just one is a part of the other. So somebody has got something wrong here.

Sugit's research below in "Media Status" also suggests that JKKS (four talks) is a part of JKKS (ten talks). By all means, let's get some more input on this. Below a text version of the dates and places in the images, with additions explained below:

1. May 30 1969 pm Cross Maidan, Bombay
2. May 31 1969 pm Cross Maidan, Bombay
3. Jun 1 1969 pm Cross Maidan, Bombay
4. Jun 2 1969 pm Cross Maidan, Bombay
5. Aug 25 1968 am Mangaldas Town Hall, Ahmedabad
6. Aug 26 1968, Ahmedabad
7. Aug 27 1968 am Mangaldas Town Hall, Ahmedabad
8. Apr 4 1967 am Hyderabad
9. Sep 8 1967 am Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
10. Aug 22 1968 om Leonard Theological College, Jabalpur

The last six talks of JKKS -- the ones NOT caught up in the 4-vs-10 identity struggles mentioned above -- are compiled in a slightly different order in Satya Ka Darshan (सत्य का दर्शन). See Satya's talk page for details.

As it happens, Satya also has two Dates and Places images, with more or less the same dates. Regarding the one difference, in ch #6, the version here makes more sense and is preferred. What Satya's D&P images add to the Great Picture are the venues for five of those six talks and times of day for all, so five venues, five am's and one om have been added above. The venue and am for the talk with a date discrepancy, discourse #6, have been adopted provisionally, since they fit well between #5 and #7.

Ch.6 of Satya is another talk, not related with current series and it was given 7 Sep 1969 am in HK Arts College, Ahmedabad.

And it is apparent that there is nothing connecting Antar Ki Khoj (अंतर की खोज) with either JKKS or Satya other than the ubiquitous "see also" mentions in each talk page. How this got started is not known, but it seems to have no substance and will be removed if there are no objections. -- updated doofus-9 04:09, 8 February 2019 (UTC)


OshoWorld free download has 10 audios. There are 4 audios with this title at osho.com, these have the same chapter-titles as in the above TOC. osho.com also has 5 audios with the name Satya Ka Darshan #1 - #5, their titles suggest that they correspond to the above TOC chapters 5, 7, 8, 10.--Sugit (talk) 11:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

It is so, see table od Current Understanding above. And the last title of Satya is event not related with current series, see Talk:Satya Ka Darshan (सत्य का दर्शन).--DhyanAntar 11:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)