Talk:Jeevan Ras Ganga (जीवन रस गंगा)

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Current Understanding

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Shailendra's PDF Osho.com library Dates & Places
Jeevan Ras Ganga ~ 01 Mati Kahe Kumhar Su #6 1. परंपरा के पत्थर Mati Kahai Kumhar Su 6. परंपरा के पत्थर 1. परंपरा के पत्थर 7 Apr 1968 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Jeevan Ras Ganga ~ 02 Mati Kahe Kumhar Su #7 2. परंपराओं से मुक्ति Mati Kahai Kumhar Su 7. परंपराओं से मुक्ति 2. परंपराओं से मुक्ति 8 Apr 1968 am, Kawasji Jahangir Hall, Bombay (Q&A)
Jeevan Ras Ganga ~ 03 Mati Kahe Kumhar Su #8 3. विस्मय का भाव Mati Kahai Kumhar Su 8. विस्मय का भाव 3. विस्मय का भाव 8 Apr 1968 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Jeevan Ras Ganga ~ 04 Mati Kahe Kumhar Su #9 4. रहस्य का बोध Mati Kahai Kumhar Su 9. रहस्य का बोध 4. रहस्य का बोध 9 Apr 1968 am, Kawasji Jahangir Hall, Bombay (Q&A)
Jeevan Ras Ganga ~ 05 Mati Kahe Kumhar Su #10 5. दुखवाद के प्रति विद्रोह Mati Kahai Kumhar Su 10. दुखवाद के प्रति विद्रोह 5. दुखवाद के प्रति विद्रोह 9 Apr 1968 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay (*1)
Jeevan Ras Ganga ~ 06 Mati Kahe Kumhar Su #11 6. व्यवहार का पाखंड Mati Kahai Kumhar Su 11. व्यवहार का पाखंड 6. व्यवहार का पाखंड 10 Apr 1968 am, Kawasji Jahangir Hall, Bombay (Q&A)
Jeevan Ras Ganga ~ 07 Mati Kahe Kumhar Su #12 7. अहंकार—मृत्यु का सूत्र Mati Kahai Kumhar Su 12. अहंकार--मृत्यु का सूत्र 7. अहंकार--मृत्यु का सूत्र 10 Apr 1968 pm, Cross Maidan, Bombay

(*1) This event published in Anand Ganga (आनन्द गंगा), ch.6.

Deliberations

Only source for info on this book is osho.com, which has only an audio offering. They provide titles for each mp3 / chapter. -- doofus-9 18:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

TOC:

1. परंपरा के पत्थर
2. परंपराओं से मुक्ति
3. विस्मय का भाव
4. रहस्य का बोध
5. दुखवाद के प्रति विद्रोह
6. व्यवहार का पाखंड
7. अहंकार—मृत्यु का सूत्र

New Dates and Places info from Jagdish (image) has some interesting material which makes Ras Ganga a component of Mati Kahai Kumhar Sun (माटी कहै कुम्हार सूं). It is internally consistent, fills in some sources for Mati, suggests a reason for previous inconsistencies in Mati's sources and the titles match up well. What's not to like?

Well, there is a small conflict with dates: the two talks on Apr 9 collide with a talk in the Timeline in mid-day in Lonavala, prohibitively far away. This dilemma can fortunately be resolved. That talk supposedly in Lonavala was a short informal talk with workers -- discourse #9 of Anant Ki Pukar (अनंत की पुकार) -- and there is an alternative location for it in Mumbai which had been rejected because other sources pointed to Lonavala. So let's bring it back to Mumbai and say, "Bob's your uncle!"

Jeevan Ras Ganga 1-7 D&P.jpg
Mati Kahe Kumhar Sun 1-12 D&P ver 2.jpg
JRG 1 -- MKKS 6 7/4/1968 pm Cross Maidan, Bombay
JRG 2 -- MKKS 7 8/4/1968 am Kawasji Jahangir Hall, Bombay
JRG 3 -- MKKS 8 8/4/1968 pm Cross Maidan, Bombay
JRG 4 -- MKKS 9 9/4/1968 am Kawasji Jahangir Hall, Bombay
JRG 5 -- MKKS 10 9/4/1968 pm Cross Maidan, Bombay
JRG 6 -- MKKS 11 10/4/1968 am Kawasji Jahangir Hall**, Bombay
JRG 7 -- MKKS 12 10/4/1968 pm Cross Maidan, Bombay

Kawasji Jahangir Hall is rendered by G**gle as Cowasji Jehangir Hall, named for a famous rich guy who put his name on it in days of different transliteration standards.

One last item: Osho World's blurb about Mati suggests its sources are two different meditation camps, which would make Ras Ganga one of them. At this point, it looks a stretch, so will leave that out. -- doofus-9 01:36, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


Jagdish has supplied two more versions of Mati's relationship with Ras Ganga. While they don't agree in every detail, the connection seems sound enough. And whether Ras Ganga is precisely a camp can be more possible if a more flexible definition of camp is adopted. -- doofus-9 05:49, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


6th and 7th talks can be in Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document) "त्योहार एक अनूठी परिभाषा" (Tyohar Ek Anuthi Paribhasha) and "निरहंकार से प्रभु प्राप्ति" (Nirahankar Se Prabhu Prapti) respectively. It's based on their dates.--DhyanAntar 13:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)