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Revision as of 05:56, 4 December 2019

The letters Osho wrote to Anandmayee have several recurring features which are noted in the table below so as to discern any patterns. Potential patterns revolve around a few things:

1. Blue numbers in circles are found in most letters early in the series, then none, then they re-appear.
2. Red tick marks mostly in the upper area above the salutation. It is not known who wrote these marks and numbers, when or why.
3. Dates: File numbers of letters with known dates are mostly in chronological order, with some jumps. It may be that the undated ones appear in that same chronological order, amongst them.
4. The "115" in the Mahakoshal / Yogesh Bhavan letterhead is handwritten, and is actually missing in some letters.
5. Watermark Some letters have a watermark, "JUPITER BOND", in ALL-CAPS, with "JUPITER" arcing over "BOND". Last letter "D" is stylized.
6. Pale blue marks in various places of varying shapes and oddnesses.
7. Whether published in Kranti Beej (क्रांति बीज) or Bhavna Ke Bhojpatron Par Osho (भावना के भोजपत्रों पर ओशो), and if the latter, page number in Diamond's 2002 edition.
File #   Date Blue # Red-tick-mark.jpg 115 notes and comments Pub?
786 22 Nov 1960 none no Y no "blue #" in circle but a black "no. 1" upper center
787 undated 001 2 yes N has a watermark, but backward, as if printed on Verso
788 25 Nov 1960 3 yes ---- different letterhead
789 29 Nov 1960 4 no Y
790 undated 002 5 yes Y
791 8 Dec 1960 5 no N same number 5 as 790
792 15 Dec 1960 pm 6 yes Y has a pale blue "7" without a circle in the middle (it looks as footprint from other sheet) in addition to its "6", + has a watermark
793 15 Dec 1960 om 6 no Y same remarks as 792 but has no watermark, nb written EARLIER than 792
794 27 Dec 1960 5 yes N but the "blue 5" is scratched out, and the red tick is on the right side, not the left
795 3 Jan 1961 none yes N date on top, pale blue "6" (no circle) in middle top, and red tick is on the right side
796 4 Jan 1961 none no N no marks except an undecipherable pale blue one middle right. "Appendix" format whereby all three family members addressed separately? Has a watermark, backward.
798 2? Feb 1961 am none no N no marks except a pale blue scribble middle top. "Postscript" only format, addressing two unreadable names. "2?" signifies twenty-something. **
799 28 Feb 1961 xm none no N no marks except a pale blue scribble middle top, very similar to 798's scribble. Addressed only to Anandmayee.
800 undated 003 none yes N no marks except a red tick right top, signed only with "xxx"
801 10 Jan 1961 none no N no marks at all, unaddressed. The first to be "out of order" chronologically with respect to file number.
802 26 Jan 1961 none no N only mark is a small pale blue group, meaning unknown. Sent from Sagar, Republic Day acknowledged. Bhav p 76
803 18 Jan 1961 xm none no N only marks are a vertical line of small pale blue marks, meaning unknown. "Out of order" chronologically.
804 30 Jan 1961 am none yes N has a red tick mark, a pale blue number (not in a circle), "39", and a watermark.
805 30 Jan 1961 om none no N has only a watermark, no greeting, only a PS
806 7 Feb 1961 xm none no N has a couple of pale blue figures of unknown meaning and a watermark
807 5 Oct 1960 none no Y has a pale blue figure of unknown meaning and a watermark, "out of order" chronologically
808,
809
12 Feb 1961 none yes N 809 has the red tick + some upcoming event info, including a "115 Napier Town". 808 has the date, mentioning "Sunday", + a pale blue figure Bhav p 80
810 undated 005 none no N no marks except a pale blue scribble left middle. "Postscript" only format, addressing two names, Shree Parakh Ji and G. Padam (?)
811 8 Mar 1961 am none no N no marks except a small group of pale blue marks left top.
812 16 Mar 1961 pm none no N no marks, no sig
813 undated 006 none no N no marks except a small black line middle top, likely not meaningful.
814 26 Mar 1961 pm none no N no marks except a small group of pale blue marks left top.
815 15 Apr 1961 am none no ---- different letterhead, no marks except a couple of pale blue marks middle top.
816 undated 007 none no N no marks except a couple of pale blue marks in the text middle top.
817,
818
25 Apr 1961 am none yes ---- same letterhead as 815 / 15 Apr, with a red tick mark and a couple of pale blue marks left top.
See Talk:Letter written on 25 Apr 1961 om for the beginning of clarity regarding the blue marks.
Bhav p 90
819 4 May 1961 am 2 no ---- different letterhead (contains "115"), blue number in circle (2) re-appears, top right.
"819" below in 5th column indicates the style of letterhead found in #819 above, a new default letterhead. And fwiw, about 60% of them up to #842 can be seen to have a new, different watermark, "SUNLIT BOND", similarly arcing. Some that are seen are fairly faint and some letters where it is not seen have marks which MAY be part of this watermark, so the borderline is not well defined, and it may not matter.
820 5 May 1961 xm 2 no 819 has a blue number (2) as above, pale blue mirror-image "26" up top.
821 13 May 1961 3 no 819 has a blue number 3 the only mark
822 8 Jun 1961 4 yes 819 has a blue number 4, red tick mark and pale blue figure
823 3 Jul 1961 am 5 yes 819 has a blue number 5, red tick mark, pale blue figure plus a new blue tick mark
824 10 Jul 1961 om 6 no 819 has a blue number 6 and a pale blue unknown figure
825 12 Jul 1961 8 no 819 has a blue number 8 and a pale blue unknown figure
826 3 Jul 1961 am 5 yes 819 a duplicate / another photo of the same letter as 823
827 26 Jul 1961 10 yes 819 has a blue number 10, red tick mark and pale blue mirror-image "35" in upper left margin
828 22 Jul 1961 om 9? yes 819 has a blue number 9 (needs verification), red tick mark, pale blue mirror-image "34" upper left and a second mystery pale blue mark top right
829 29 Jul 1961 11 yes 819 has a blue number 11, red tick mark and pale blue mirror-image "36" in middle at top
830 2 Aug 1961 om 12 yes 819 has a blue number 12, red tick mark and pale blue mirror-image "37" in middle at top, plus the blue tick mark seen in 823
831 4 Aug 1961 am 14 yes 819 has a blue number 14, red tick mark and pale blue mirror-image "38" in middle at top
832 5 Aug 1961 13 yes 819 has a blue number 13, red tick mark and a group of pale blue marks middle left plus a blue tick mark
837 12 Aug 1961 15 yes 819 has a blue number 15, red tick mark and a pale blue mirror-image "40"(?) middle left
838 20 Aug 1961 om 16 no 819 has a blue number 16 and a pale blue mark bottom right
839 23 Aug 1961 om 18 yes 819 has a blue number 18, red tick mark and a pale blue mirror-image "43" middle top
840 29 Aug 1961 am 17 yes 819 has a blue number 17, red tick mark and a pale blue mirror-image "42" middle top
841 2 Sep 1961 pm 20 yes 819 has a blue number 20, red tick mark and a black, straight (non-mirror-image) "45" bottom right
842 2 Sep 1961 pm
(same time!)
19 yes 819 has a blue number 19 (needs verification), red tick mark, a black, straight "44" and a pale blue mirror-image "44", both bottom right (see Talk:Letter written on 2 Sep 1961 pm (2))
843 18 Sep 1961 21 yes 819 has a blue number 21, red tick mark and a black, straight "47" bottom right
845,
846
24 Sep 1961 22 yes 819 has a blue number 22, red tick mark and a black, straight "48" bottom right, PS on back side
847 26 Sep 1961 pm 23 yes 819 has a blue number 23, red tick mark and a black, straight "49" bottom right
848 6 Oct 1961 24 yes 819 has a blue number 24, red tick mark and a black number 50 bottom right
849 10 Oct 1961 25 yes 819 has a blue number 25, red tick mark and a black number 51 bottom right
850 14 Oct 1961 26 yes 819 has a blue number 26, red tick mark and a black number 52 bottom right
851 30 Oct 1961 am 29 yes 819 has a blue number 29, red tick mark and a black number 55 bottom right
852 17 Oct 1961 27 yes 819 has a blue number 27, red tick mark and a black number 53 bottom right
853 2 Nov 1961 30 yes 819 has a blue number 30, red tick mark and a black number 56 bottom right
854 27 Oct 1961 28 yes 819 has a blue number 28, red tick mark and a black number 54 bottom right
855,
856
4 Nov 1961 31 yes ---- new professional letterhead, has a blue number 31, red tick mark, a black "57" bottom right, and a long continuation on back side
Similar to the case of the "819" introduced in the fifth column, an "855" below will indicate a new, potentially frequent letterhead in the style of the letterhead found in #855 above.
857,
858
7 Nov 1961 pm 32 yes 855 has a blue number 32, red tick mark, a black "58" bottom left of back side, continues on back side
859 13 Nov 1961 33 yes 819 has a blue number 33, red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 59 (presumed) bottom right. And 819 is still around!
860,
861
17 Nov 1961 34 no 819 has a blue number 34, no red tick mark and a black 60 bottom left of back side, with a last paragraph on back side
862 18 Nov 1961 35 no 819 has a blue number 35, no red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 61 bottom right
863 undated 008 35/7 no ---- has a new letterhead, blue number 35 or 37, no red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 61, 62 or 63 bottom right. See its Talk page for a divination re its uncertainties
864 18 Nov 1961 35 no 819 a duplicate / another photo of the same letter as 862
865 22 Nov 1961 am 36 no 819 has a blue number 36, no red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 62 bottom right
866 28 Nov 1961 pm 38 yes ---- same letterhead as 863, has a blue number 38, a red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 63(?) bottom right, may be the "parent" of 863
867 2 Dec 1961 39 no 819 has a blue number 39, no red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 64 bottom right
868 7 Dec 1961 om 40 no 819 has a blue number 40, no red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 65 bottom right
869 13 Dec 1961 41 no 855 has a blue number 41, no red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 66 bottom right
870 18 Dec 1961 42 yes 819 has a blue number 42, a red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 67 bottom right
871 21 Dec 1961 om 43 no 819 has a blue number 43, no red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 68 bottom right
872 22 Dec 1961 44 no 819 has a blue number 44, no red tick mark and a pale mirror-image number 69 bottom right
873,
874
19 Feb 1963 none no ---- has a new letterhead, no blue number nor red tick mark, possible very faint figures (mirror-image 3-digit numbers?) bottom right; new marks = black tick marks + pages numbered 1 & 2 in parentheses. Note also big jump in dates Bhav p 200
Similar to the "819" and "855" introduced in the fifth column, an "873" below will indicate a new, potentially frequent letterhead in the style of the letterhead found in #873 above.
875 23 Feb 1963 pm none no 819 has a black tick mark and a pale mirror-image number bottom right, possibly 170 Bhav p 202
876 2 Mar 1963 am none no 819 has a black tick mark and a pale mirror-image number bottom right, 171, making 170 above look pretty good, and 168 or 169 looking possible for #873-874 Bhav p 204
877 6 Mar 1963 om none yes 819 has a black tick mark AND a red tick mark, and a pale mirror-image number bottom right, 172, solidifying the impression of a trend Bhav p 206
879 12 Mar 1963 pm none yes 873 has a black tick mark AND a red tick mark, but its pale mirror-image figure bottom right is too faint to be readable Bhav p 207
880 18 Mar 1963 none no 873 has a black tick mark, no red tick mark, and its pale mirror-image number bottom right, 174, is very faint but still readable Bhav p 208
881 22 Mar 1963 xm none no 873 has a black tick mark, no red tick mark, and a pale mirror-image figure bottom right partly obscured by Osho's signature Bhav p 209
882 27 Mar 1963 none no 873 has a black tick mark and a faint, almost readable mirror-image number bottom right, which looks enough like 176 to bet on Bhav p 210
883 28 Mar 1963 am none no 873 has a black tick mark and a faint, almost readable mirror-image number bottom right, which looks enough like 177 to bet on Bhav p 211

Sarloji, my proposal for undated letter is to keep them in guessed period, i.e. to put them near by known letters. E.g. Undated Letter written to Anandmayee 001 to Timeline 1960. Or will we cut off guessed period and to put them to Timeline year unknown?--DhyanAntar 06:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)


New organization of the data above keeps them arranged in file # order, so it's easy to keep track. The undated ones can go in Timeline year unknown, actually MUST go there, but there they can have the year as "1960?" or whatever year /month their dated adjacent file #s have. The blue numbers may eventually assist in pointing toward their place in the chrono order. Or may not. -- doofus-9 07:55, 7 November 2019 (UTC)


And the blue numbers and red ticks keep getting weirder and more chaotic. Hard to imagine they will ever point to something systematic. -- doofus-9 06:33, 8 November 2019 (UTC)