Talk:Mahaveer-Vani, Bhag 2 (महावीर-वाणी, भाग 2) ver 1.5

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Most of the info below is carried over from the discussions for the original 18-chapter versions of Bhag 2 and 3. It has not got obsolete, but the article pages for Bhag 2 has become obsolete. The very incomplete information it supplied on some editions turned out to be about these 27-editions (Bhag 1 and 2 ver 1.5). Updates are inserted where appropriate. -- doofus-9 21:45, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Source for the dates of this series is "Doc X", whose accuracy < 100%. Therefore dates can be considered provisional. (At least there is no conflict with existing discourses.) -- Sarlo (talk) 10:56, 4 February 2014 (PST)


These dates are supported by Neeten's Osho Source Book, citing Gyan Bhed. He adds that the discourses of this series, likely applying to all the Vani series, were given from 8:30 to 10:00 every morning.

TOC below is from Osho World and osho.com audiobook offerings. Titles are the same between them except that OW has none of the material in parentheses, which appear to be entirely o.com's creations, a classificatory system found nowhere else on the net, relating neither to Mahavir, Jainism nor anything else. Even the "धम्म-सुत्त" which G**gle suggested to try instead of "धम्म-सूत्र" -- dhamma and sutta being more Pali-consistent than dhamma and sutra -- got a few more hits but nothing significant. Will discontinue the use of this parenthetical material in the other two Vanis.

Audiobook-sourced TOCs below can be compared to those from the contents scan for Bhag 2 ver 1.5 on the right. We can note now that, as the 27-chapter book publisher and the osho.com audiobook offerer are more or less the same corporate entity, OIF, it is no surprise that the parenthetical classificatory material is included in the book. That parenthetical material has been omitted here. -- 21:45, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

OW's offering came in groups of ten mp3's (and much cheaper) and so Vani-1 runs into Vani-2 and -2 into -3, treating the 54 talks as one organic whole, at least as audios. And o.com, while maintaining the grouping of the different volumes, also numbers the talks sequentially, so Vani-2 starts at 19 and so on. Books of course were published separately, with Vani-3 almost invisible. It is not known whether this numbering was followed in the books. -- doofus-9 02:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

We can see now that in the 1998 27-packs, they are numbered independently. Probably then this was the case in the 18-packs as well, whatever is the case with the audios. Here both numberings are shown. -- 22:24, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
28/1. समय और मृत्यु का अंतर्बोध (अप्रमाद-सूत्रः 1)
29/2. अलिप्तता और अनासक्ति का भावबोध (अप्रमाद-सूत्रः 2)
30/3. एक ही नियम: होश (प्रमाद-स्थान-सूत्रः 1)
31/4. सारा खेल काम-वासना का (प्रमाद-स्थान-सूत्रः 2)
32/5. ये चार शत्रु (कषाय-सूत्र)
33/6. अकेले ही है भोगना (अशरण-सूत्र)
34/7. यह निःश्रेयस का मार्ग है (पंडित-सूत्र)
35/8. आप ही हैं अपने परम मित्र (आत्म-सूत्र: 1)
36/9. साधना का सूत्र: संयम (आत्म-सूत्र: 2)
37/10. विकास की ओर गति है धर्म (लोकतत्व-सूत्रः 1)
38/11. आत्मा का लक्षण है ज्ञान (लोकतत्व-सूत्रः 2)
39/12. मुमुक्षा के चार बीज (लोकतत्व-सूत्रः 3)
40/13. पांच ज्ञान और आठ कर्म (लोकतत्व-सूत्रः 4)
41/14. छह लेश्याएं: चेतना में उठी लहरें (लोकतत्व-सूत्रः 5)
42/15. पांच समितियां और तीन गुप्तियां (लोकतत्व-सूत्रः 6)
43/16. कौन है पूज्य? (पूज्य-सूत्र)
44/17. राग, द्वेष, भय से रहित है ब्राह्मण (ब्राह्मण-सूत्रः 1)
45/18. अलिप्तता है ब्राह्मणत्व (ब्राह्मण-सूत्रः 2)
46/19. वर्णभेद जन्म से नहीं, चर्या से (ब्राह्मण-सूत्रः 3)
47/20. भिक्षु की यात्रा अंतर्यात्रा है (भिक्षु-सूत्रः 1)
48/21. अस्पर्शित, अकंप है भिक्षु (भिक्षु-सूत्रः 2)
49/22. भिक्षु कौन? (भिक्षु-सूत्रः 3)
50/23. कल्याण-पथ पर खड़ा है भिक्षु (भिक्षु-सूत्रः 4)
51/24. पहले ज्ञान, बाद में दया (मोक्षमार्ग-सूत्रः 1)
52/25. संयम है संतुलन की परम-अवस्था (मोक्षमार्ग-सूत्रः 2)
53/26. अंतस-बाह्य संबंधों से मुक्ति (मोक्षमार्ग-सूत्रः 3)
54/27. संन्यास प्रारंभ है, सिद्धि अंत (मोक्षमार्ग-सूत्रः 4)