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For a long time, no evidence of actual publication for ''Vani 3'' could be found. Now there is a citation, in a Jain scholarship book, ''Studies in Jaina History and Culture: Disputes and Dialogues'', ed Peter Flügel. [[Sw Anand Neeten|Neeten's]] [http://www.oshosourcebook.com Osho Source Book] says ''Vani 3'' is NOT in the Indian National Library but this citation may be enough. -- [[User:Sarlo|Sarlo]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 00:02, 9 September 2014 (PDT)
For a long time, no evidence of actual publication for ''Vani 3'' could be found. Now there is a citation, in a Jain scholarship book, ''[[Studies In Jaina History and Culture]]'', ed Peter Flügel. [[Sw Anand Neeten|Neeten's]] [http://www.oshosourcebook.com Osho Source Book] says ''Vani 3'' is NOT in the Indian National Library but this citation may be enough. -- [[User:Sarlo|Sarlo]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 00:02, 9 September 2014 (PDT)
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:Aug 2017 update: While most of this page's comments are still relevant, the scans of 1998's ''[[Mahaveer-Vani, Bhag 2 (महावीर-वाणी, भाग 2) ver 1.5]]'' have indicated that ''Vani 3'' may have been published in 1977. At least, this is the date cited in OIF's relevant copyright claim. The Peter Flügel book mentioned above is presumed to be the source of the 1976 pub date info, but a renewed search for that book could not confirm that. It did find, fwiw, in G**gle Books, a citation (image right) of a "Mahāvīra-vāṇī, Volume 3" by "Osho, Yoga Lakshmi" and published by "Jīvana Jāgr̥ti Āndolana Prakāśana".  
:Aug 2017 update: While most of this page's comments are still relevant, the scans of 1998's ''[[Mahaveer-Vani, Bhag 2 (महावीर-वाणी, भाग 2) ver 1.5]]'' have indicated that ''Vani 3'' may have been published in 1977. At least, this is the date cited in OIF's relevant copyright claim. The Peter Flügel book mentioned above is presumed to be the source of the 1976 pub date info, but a renewed search for that book could not confirm that. It did find, fwiw, in G**gle Books, a citation (image right) of a "Mahāvīra-vāṇī, Volume 3" by "Osho, Yoga Lakshmi" and published by "Jīvana Jāgr̥ti Āndolana Prakāśana".  

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For a long time, no evidence of actual publication for Vani 3 could be found. Now there is a citation, in a Jain scholarship book, Studies In Jaina History and Culture, ed Peter Flügel. Neeten's Osho Source Book says Vani 3 is NOT in the Indian National Library but this citation may be enough. -- Sarlo (talk) 00:02, 9 September 2014 (PDT)

Aug 2017 update: While most of this page's comments are still relevant, the scans of 1998's Mahaveer-Vani, Bhag 2 (महावीर-वाणी, भाग 2) ver 1.5 have indicated that Vani 3 may have been published in 1977. At least, this is the date cited in OIF's relevant copyright claim. The Peter Flügel book mentioned above is presumed to be the source of the 1976 pub date info, but a renewed search for that book could not confirm that. It did find, fwiw, in G**gle Books, a citation (image right) of a "Mahāvīra-vāṇī, Volume 3" by "Osho, Yoga Lakshmi" and published by "Jīvana Jāgr̥ti Āndolana Prakāśana".
This is too thin a brew to make anything out of, especially as the combination of Osho, Laxmi and Jivan Jagruti Kendra (जीवन जागृति केन्द्र) has multiple incongruities, though perhaps hinting at a transitional publishing authority in 1974-ish. You can search inside this book with the proper Devanagari search terms. Good luck with that. -- doofus-9 16:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
A list of published books in Piv Piv Laagi Pyas (पिव पिव लागी प्यास) states on before July 1976 and The Illustrated Weekly of India (Indian newsmagazine) (Dec 25, 1977 issue) indicates on before Dec 1977.--DhyanAntar 19:37, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
First edition of vol 1 published in Jul 1972 and of vol 2 - in Aug 1973. Sources are second editions of those vols, for more - see those books.--DhyanAntar 10:16, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

The dates of Aug 25 - Sep 11 are supported by information from Laherubhai quoted in Neeten's Bombay section. Laheru also confirmed that the Vani discourses were given from 8:30 to 10:00 every morning.

TOC below is from Osho World and osho.com audiobook offerings. Titles are the same between them except that o.com appears to have added classificatory material which is unsupported, so that has been omitted.

OW's offering came in groups of ten mp3's (and much cheaper) and so Vani-1 runs into Vani-2 and -2 into -3, treating the 54 talks as one organic whole, at least as audios. And o.com, while maintaining the grouping of the different volumes, also numbers the talks sequentially, so Vani-3 starts at 37 and runs to 54, as below. Books of course were published separately, with Vani-3 almost invisible. It is not known whether this numbering was followed in the books. -- doofus-9 07:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

37. विकास की ओर गति है धर्म
38. आत्मा का लक्षण है ज्ञान
39. मुमुक्षा के चार बीज
40. पांच ज्ञान और आठ कर्म
41. छह लेश्याएं: चेतना में उठी लहरें
42. पांच समितियां और तीन गुप्तियां
43. कौन है पूज्य?
44. राग, द्वेष, भय से रहित है ब्राह्मण
45. अलिप्तता है ब्राह्मणत्व
46. वर्णभेद जन्म से नहीं, चर्या से
47. भिक्षु की यात्रा अंतर्यात्रा है
48. अस्पर्शित, अकंप है भिक्षु
49. भिक्षु कौन?
50. कल्याण-पथ पर खड़ा है भिक्षु
51. पहले ज्ञान, बाद में दया
52. संयम है संतुलन की परम-अवस्था
53. अंतस-बाह्य संबंधों से मुक्ति
54. संन्यास प्रारंभ है, सिद्धि अंत