Talk:Main Kaun Hun? (मैं कौन हूं?) (discourses)

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event audio,
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Shailendra's PDF Oshoganga Osho.com library Dates & Places
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 01 #1 1. स्वयं की पहचान क्या?
missing greetings
1. स्वयं की पहचान क्या? 1. स्वयं की पहचान क्या? 1. अज्ञान का बोध 4 Mar 1967 am, HK Arts College Hall, Ahmedabad
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 02 #2 2. स्वयं की असली पहचान 2. स्वयं की असली पहचान 2. स्वयं की असली पहचान 2. रहस्य का जन्म 5 Mar 1967 am, HK Arts College Hall, Ahmedabad
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 03 #3 3. मन है एक रिक्तता 3. मन है एक रिक्तता 3. मन है एक रिक्तता 3. शून्यता का स्वीकार 6 Mar 1967 am, HK Arts College Hall, Ahmedabad
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 04 #4 4. अकेला होना बड़ी तपश्चर्या है 4. अकेला होना बड़ी तपश्चर्या है 4. अकेला होना बड़ी तपश्चर्या है 4. अकेले होने का साहस 31 Mar 1967 pm, Baheti Bhavan, Hyderabad
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 05 #5 5. जंजीर तोड़ने के सूत्र 5. जंजीर तोड़ने के सूत्र 5. जंजीर तोड़ने के सूत्र 5. निष्पक्ष चित्त 2 Oct 1968 am, Mulund, Bombay
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 06 #6 6. श्वास का महत्व 6. श्वास का महत्व 6. श्वास का महत्व 6. ध्यान में श्वास का सर्वाधिक महत्व 13 Apr 1970 am, Palm Beach, Bombay
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 07 #7 7. शक्ति का तूफान 7. शक्ति का तूफान 7. शक्ति का तूफान 7. श्वास: ध्यान का द्वार 17 Apr 1970 am, Palm Beach, Bombay (*1)
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 08 #8 8. सौंदर्य के अनंत आयाम
missing greetings
8. सौंदर्य के अनंत आयाम 8. सौंदर्य के अनंत आयाम 8. सौंदर्य का बोध 28 Jul 1970 am, Vadodara (Baroda GJ)
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 09 #9 9. सत्य शब्दों में व्यक्त नहीं हो सकता 9. सत्य शब्दों में व्यक्त नहीं हो सकता 9. सत्य शब्दों में व्यक्त नहीं हो सकता 9. सत्य शब्दों में प्रकट नहीं हो सकता 29 Jul 1970 am, Vadodara (Baroda GJ)
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 10 #10
beginning can be incomplete; end incomplete
10. जीने की कला
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10. जीने की कला
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10. जीने की कला
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10. जीने की कला 30 Jul 1970 am, Vadodara (Baroda GJ)
Main Kaun Hun (discourses) ~ 11 #11
end incomplete
11. मैं विज्ञान की भाषा में बोल रहा हूं
end incomplete
11. मैं विज्ञान की भाषा में बोल रहा हूं
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11. मैं विज्ञान की भाषा में बोल रहा हूं
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11. मैं विज्ञान की भाषा में बोल रहा हूं
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31 Jul 1970 am, Vadodara (Baroda GJ)
notes
(*1) The other date from Jagdish (see #Dates and Places) is questionable. This talk is last morning talk/meditation, Osho says in its end: "A lot of work was done in these five days. Some friends came very close, some even got in touch with that power..." Then hint on next camp in Nargol. It seems in mornings were meditations and evenings are Samajvad Se Savdhan (समाजवाद से सावधान) series, 13-17 Apr 1970.
Ch.7 also has the hint about meeting from 3 to 4 pm. Rough translation: "Those who in the afternoon, who feel that the uplift of energy has stopped or some energy has entered from above, but stopped somewhere, who find any difficulty, hindrance anywhere, they should come to meet three to four in the afternoon. But not for intellectual curiosity. Only those whose personal spiritual practice has raised any question, should come in the afternoon."

Crossover History

There are two distinct series with the title Main Kaun Hun? (मैं कौन हूं?). Right from the beginning we have had them confused with each other. The first entry in the Talk page for the other MKH reads:

Source for such information we have on this early book is Neeten's Osho Source Book. His Appendix section mentions three talks given on Mar 4-6, 1967 and the Bibliography section says it was first published in 1967 also. Question mark cover design is said to be by Osho himself. Publisher is likely Jeevan Jagruti Kendra, as for the 1968 edition.

Well, okay. We now have some Dates and Places info for this audio series, agreeing 100% with those Mar '67 dates. And there was indeed a book with this title published in 1967. It seems natural to equate them. Wrong-o! So this is one of Osho's firecrackers that he left for innocent bibliographers (to say nothing of the hair-pulling consternation he created for his publications people back in the day). As the sign on the road to the ranch said, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here".

More of the turbulent history of the wiki's trying to sort out the what's what of these two MKH's may be brought over here later.


Dates and Places

Main Kaun Hun 1-11 D&P.jpg

For now, resting in the relative calm of the newly arrived Dates and Places info from Jagdish, image right and text version below, with a couple of questions to follow:

1. Mar 4 1967 am HK Hall, Ahmedabad
2. Mar 5 1967 am HK Hall, Ahmedabad
3. Mar 6 1967 am HK Hall, Ahmedabad
4. Mar 31 1967 pm Baheti Bhavan, Hyderabad
5. Oct 2 1968 am Mulund, Mumbai (Satya Ki Khoj)
6. Apr 13 1970 am Palm Beach, Mumbai (Q&A, incl Dynamic)
7. Apr 15 1970 am Palm Beach, Mumbai (Q&A, incl Dynamic)
8. Jul 28 1970 am Baroda (Q&A)
9. Jul 29 1970 am Baroda (Q&A)
10. Jul 30 1970 am Baroda (Q&A)
11. Jul 31 1970 am Baroda (Q&A)

Questions we might ask about these data would focus on the Mumbai segments: Does this "Satya Ki Khoj" refer to that series in some way? At first, that seems unlikely, since its dates in Feb 1969 and quasi-alt-dates in Jan 1970 have little to do with the dates here. And Satya Ki Khoj is not the title of this chapter. Perhaps a theme?

And about the Dynamic the two mornings in Palm Beach: Are meditation instructions included in the audio? Or perhaps even some of the actual meditation? Or perhaps the Q&A are about Dynamic. A Hindi speaker may have to listen and report.


Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): "Satya Ki Khoj, 1 talk, 02.10.68". This is talk 5.--DhyanAntar 11:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Theme of this chapter is confirmed: 14/18 queries matches of "सत्य की खोज" in this chapter.
Title, date and place ("Mulund") confirmed by Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document).--DhyanAntar 06:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Historical Footnote

It is not likely of any significance but we note here a mention from the other MKH's listings in Osho Timeline ~ year unknown, from the time when the two MKH's were conflated, that "three of this series were on 4 - 6 Mar 1967, plus one in 1969". Similarly, in Osho Timeline 1969, there was a mention of an MKH discourse sometime in 1969 and "somewhere in India". While both mentions (source unknown) purported to be factual, they were likely mistaken, so they have been deleted and preserved here as a fwiw. -- doofus-9 16:58, 8 March 2019 (UTC)