Talk:Main Kaun Hun? (मैं कौन हूं?) (writings)
There are two different series: 1) current - 11 (hand)writings; 2) Main Kaun Hun? (मैं कौन हूं?) (discourses) - 11 talks in 1967-1970 (Ahmedabad, Hyderabad, Bombay and Baroda.
Deliberations below took some time to realize it.--DhyanAntar 05:44, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Source for such information we have on this early book is Neeten's Osho Source Book. His Appendix section mentions three talks given on Mar 4-6, 1967 and the Bibliography section says it was first published in 1967 also. Question mark cover design is said to be by Osho himself. Publisher is likely Jeevan Jagruti Kendra, as for the 1968 edition.
The TOC on the left below is derived from audiobook titles. The same titles are found at both Osho World and osho.com offerings. There are "only" eleven. Neeten says, regarding Who Am I, that it is a compilation of seventeen handwritten lectures from Jabalpur, so the other six may not have been recorded. -- Sarlo (talk) 09:16, 11 August 2014 (PDT)
Update: Main Kaun Hun has shown up in at least one edition of Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi (मैं कहता आंखन देखी) -- see the discussion page there -- and the TOC from that edition raises some interesting questions. It has all seventeen chapters but there is zero correspondence between the titles of the eleven audio titles below on the left and the seventeen in that book. And furthermore, the chapters in that book are so short that they can hardly be the same talks as these audios, which are not super-long by any means but all around an hour, and not so likely to fit into the four and six pages that most have in MKAD, in the right column. -- doofus-9 08:00, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
|TOC of printed book and of audio at osho.com:
|MKAD TOC (incl ch and page numbers from there) |
मैं कौन हूं
Shailendra states the same 11 chapters in the book. --DhyanAntar 08:55, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
The 17 chapter-titles of Who Am I, are very, very much like the 17 MKAD chapters-titles shown above (in G.translate). Same order too.
The ca 80 pages of those chapters also comply well with the 145 pages of the 1968 edition (small booklet!) and the 81 pages of the 1973 edition.
As said above, Neeten's OSB says about Who Am I: "Compilation of seventeen handwritten lectures from Jabalpur." (By the way, that statement is not a quote from the 1968 or 1973 editions, and Neeten does not give a source. )
- Jabalpur mentioned in manuscripts for 1st and 5th talks. Links on main page.--DhyanAntar 05:44, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Combining these facts, I wonder if these 11/17 chapters actually refer to two entirely different series?:
- One, the 17 chapter Main Kaun Hun? / Who Am I, probably handwritten lectures from Jabalpur. Also published in at least one edition of Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi (मैं कहता आंखन देखी), ch. 11 -- 27.
- The other, a series of 11 spoken discourses, not known if they have been published as a book. They have been made into a PDF of Shailendra though. And there are 11 audios, both at osho.com and at OW.
Hmm "I wonder" is a bit too soft. Rather: this smells strongly of 2 entirely different series!
- Audios checked, see Talk:Main Kaun Hun? (मैं कौन हूं?) (discourses).--DhyanAntar 05:44, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes, Shailendra confirmes that these two books (11 and 17 chapters) are different books. It is necessery to separate them - to move other book to own page. But which editions are?
Also it needs to complete notes, some info stated in notes Kranti Sutra (क्रांति सूत्र) (compilation) (about relation ch.11-27 of Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi (मैं कहता आंखन देखी), ch.1-17 of Kranti Sutra (क्रांति सूत्र) (compilation) and ch.1-17 of Main Kaun Hun? (मैं कौन हूं?) - also Shailendra confirmed).--DhyanAntar 06:57, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Just as a reminder for researchers: see correspondence between Antar and Shailendra of 22 Jan 2019, incl. several manuscripts.
A new home for the audio series
The discussions above make a convincing case for having the two MKH's separate, so i have begun that process. A home for the series of eleven audios but no apparent published hard copy has been created at Main Kaun Hun? (मैं कौन हूं?) (discourses). Any better ideas for a page title are welcome, and/or the title of this page could be changed too. The series with the seventeen handwritten chapters seems more appropriate to inherit the page history here, and it is the one with the early First Edition.
The seventeen titles above that are also in MKAD correspond well, though not perfectly, to the seventeen titles in the TOC in the 1967 First Edition. The eleven audio titles are completely different, as seen above. As well, the audios have an almost uniform length, near-about one hour, where these seventeen chapters above are more varied in length, though many are quite short. Different, different, different. -- doofus-9 08:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Oshoganga gives 1966-67 dates in Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi book.--DhyanAntar 08:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)