Talk:Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (6 talks)
Regarding the dates suggested for Nari, 1969 comes more from the general vintage of books it is associated with rather than any hard facts, so it may be an assumption in error. In fact, Neeten's Osho Source Book has indicated 1965 as the date for a couple of the discourses, but with a question mark, so the least we can do is add a question mark to 1969.
- (Date range has been extended to include Prem Aur Vivah's likely date range, as Vivah is a very likely component.) -- doofus-9 20:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
- Nope, Prem is component other book Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (4 talks). Your edit reverted back.--DhyanAntar 06:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Publishing anomalies and variations there are a-plenty for this book, at at least for the two publishers which came post-Rebel. Both publishers even have more than one cover design. We'll start with Diamond.
Diamond's two covers appeared at first to be associated with different formats, the primary (bigger image) one with hardback and the secondary one with a paperback edition. But that information turned out to be inconsistent. As did the pub dates, with both 2000 and 2008 associated with the second. A curious and major inconsistency turned up in the TOC available at G**gle Books for this one, and for a bonus twist, an inconsistency in that inconsistency. In the version of G**gle Books i got directly from my search, there was no TOC displayed at all, but at a third-party site, a blog, the blogger had his own version of G**gle Books posted which did include a TOC, where the chapter titles were different from audio titles (see below) and there were only four of them, as opposed to six for the audios. One last and fairly trivial variability is in the spelling of the title and subtitle in Devanagari: Both "Kranti" and the "Aur" in the subtitle come in a couple of different ways, but may be fairly interchangeable in terms of search results.
All that aside, the most interesting curiosity of the Diamond edition was for a while its subtitle, "Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or-3." Those who have been around the block with Osho's titles will recognise this as the classic original Hindi title of From Sex to Superconsciousness. But what is this "-3" all about? And what does this book have to do with Sambhog? Plenty, as it turns out.
There is a similar subtitle attached to Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र) (2), only it's "-4", which also caused considerable confusion when researching that book. Parts 1 and 2 have also now been found, with G**gle inside-the-book TOCs for all of them matching up, more or less, with the 18-chapter TOC of Sambhog.
However, there are still some things that don't add up in the whole Sambhog constellation: 1) Diamond's chapter titles for Nari, reproduced below, don't match up with audio titles or numbers. 2) Diamond has done this with JKKS as well, in fact going even further by using titles for their version of JKKS which belong to another book, according to an audiobook offered at osho.com. See the relevant discussion pages for details. 3) Sambhog's 18 chapters do not seem to be duplicated in the English translations, which are all much shorter books. We await clarification.
Moving on to the Hind edition(s), there is not so much variability there but still a little. The alt-cover was found only once but maybe that was because i didn't go everywhere. On that one occasion, the publisher was named as Full Circle, the parent company of Hind. Oh well, no big deal there. The subtitle is a mouthful but has no associations or anomalies. So that's it for now. -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 06:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Left in the table below are the audio discourse titles, and right, the titles in the four-chapter Nari Diamond TOC and in Sambhog. Note that no title in either column correlates with any in the other column.
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Shailendra have stated the same chapter titles as for Audio ones above. --DhyanAntar 18:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Diamond edition with 4 chapters has different content. This info was confirmed by the editor of Diamond Publishing - Sw Anand Sadaiv. I moved that on new title - Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (4 talks).
Shailendra indicates on existing an booklet under this title with one single discourse, which was printed long time ago and became a part of Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or (संभोग से समाधि की ओर) (yuvak aur yaun). By judging this name it should be ch.13 of Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or (संभोग से समाधि की ओर).--DhyanAntar 05:21, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, Anuragi found this 1-chapter booklet - Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (1 talk).
1969 year of talks confirmed by Copyrights claim on osho.com library (for Hindi book and for English book).--DhyanAntar 06:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- English translation Woman and Rebellion has 1966 in its Copyrights (2022 ed.).--DhyanAntar 09:13, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document) gives the info: "नारी एक अभिन्न अंग (नारी और क्रांति)" (= Nari Ek Abhinn Ang (Nari Aur Kranti)), "1 talk, 22 Jan 1968". It is unclear how it related with current series.--DhyanAntar 12:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Check of OW audio #1: matches to Shailendra's ch.1, audio has untranscribed text after talk (last 30 sec) and also there is untrascribed first half of 1st question, it starts after main talk ends (from 1:02:30).
- Dilip about last 30 sec: "Though it's very noisy audio it seems that the organiser is offering vote of thanks by saying something like: "On behalf of the staff and the principal of the college ...... (swamiji for) enlightening .........." followed by the applause from the audience." Then the ralk given in a college/university.--DhyanAntar 17:03, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
1st talk dated ≤1971 because questioner says "acharya ji".
Fast check of text of 6 talks did not give clues if talks are sequential, i.e. given on sequential dates.
Osho Source Book in bibliography section gives following info:"The Woman and the Revolution. Compilation by Swami Shivamurti. Edited by Ananda Prem. Translated by Dr. A.D. Batra. Published in Sannyas magazine 1975? (Translations: Hindi to English. Poona, 18.1.1981) Lecture in Junagarh (Gu.) 27.02.1970 Neri aur Kranti."
That English title is unknown for wiki, but it is what Hindi title means! Relation of Shivamurti name not found as well as editor's and translator's name. There is no similar title in Sannyas magazine for 1973, 1976 and first half of 1974 issues (i don't have 1975 year at all for check), maybe it needs to check Hindi magazine? About place and date - 27 Feb 1970, Junagarh - i would say here means period of Junagadh camp which was on that day, but year earlier and i cannot suppose that there was additional talk on women, in afternoon?
Too many sharp ends. Who lucky to solve the mysteries of Women?! I am speaking about the series for sure, ahahaha.--DhyanAntar 16:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
On places English translation Woman and Rebellion enlightens: "Extemporaneous talks given by Osho in Ludhiana, Mumbai, Bhavnagar, Baroda and Ahmedabad, India".--DhyanAntar 15:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)