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i just added "Bikaner Palace Hotel" as the January location in Mt Abu. source is the opening of [https://books.google.com.au/books?id=LcFWAgAAQBAJ&pg=PP12&lpg=PP12&dq=osho+%22Bikaner+Palace+Hotel%22&source=bl&ots=5c3AuySCJ4&sig=ewTGAMXcDt8K4-027jPvQIzucbE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiaku6Yy7rYAhVBF5QKHUx3BaUQ6AEISDAK#v=onepage&q=osho%20%22Bikaner%20Palace%20Hotel%22&f=false Krishna Prem's book] and also his article  in the [http://www.oshoviha.org/connection/2005-jul-aug/kp-expect.htm Osho Viha mag].
 
i just added "Bikaner Palace Hotel" as the January location in Mt Abu. source is the opening of [https://books.google.com.au/books?id=LcFWAgAAQBAJ&pg=PP12&lpg=PP12&dq=osho+%22Bikaner+Palace+Hotel%22&source=bl&ots=5c3AuySCJ4&sig=ewTGAMXcDt8K4-027jPvQIzucbE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiaku6Yy7rYAhVBF5QKHUx3BaUQ6AEISDAK#v=onepage&q=osho%20%22Bikaner%20Palace%20Hotel%22&f=false Krishna Prem's book] and also his article  in the [http://www.oshoviha.org/connection/2005-jul-aug/kp-expect.htm Osho Viha mag].
 
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was Osho present during the enlightment day celebrations? if so, they should be shown as two (separate) events.--Rudra 10:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 
was Osho present during the enlightment day celebrations? if so, they should be shown as two (separate) events.--Rudra 10:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
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That is believed to be the case, and we're working on sourcing that. For starters, we can say that [[Sw Chaitanya Sagar|Laherubhai's]] book ''[[Blessed Moments with Osho]]'' states in ch 26 that: "On March 21, 1974, in the morning, Osho celebrated his 21st enlightenment day at his residence in Woodland with grand celebration and ceremony and completed one phase of his work and in the afternoon we all left for his new residence at Pune. He paid obeisance, by folding his hands to his lovers and sat in the back seat of the Impala car. The car was decorated with beautiful flowers. [[Ma Yoga Laxmi|Laxmi]] was driving the car.
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We, a lot of friends, left in our respective cars for Pune with Osho. Thousands of people had gathered in the area of Woodland and Pedder Road to giver a heartful farewell to Osho. The [enlightenment celebration] and the whole journey from Woodland to Pune was filmed in 16 mm film."
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No mention is made of the event in Pune, but absence of proof is not proof of absence. The 16-mm reel used for the filming of the events of the day may be the one Laheru refers to in another part of his book that was destroyed by [[Ma Anand Madhu|Madhu's]] husband [[Sw Krishna Chaitanya]], who had become disaffected according to [[T.R.E.M.O. (source document)|Gyan Bhed]]. -- doofus-9 08:52, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 08:52, 27 August 2020

Venues and times

1974 is a big year with the move to Pune in March. A lot of infrastructure had to be built to repurpose those nice old Koregaon Park estates as Shree Rajneesh Ashram, so there were no discourses for a while. And then there were. They were first held on a balcony above Osho's room in Lao Tzu House. By the end of the year, Chuang Tzu Auditorium was available, but Buddha Hall was not, so for now we will assume just Dec for Chuang Tzu.

Some uncertainty exists about when Chuang Tzu Auditorium became operational for Osho's discourses. As of this writing, no 100% reliable source -- ha ha! -- has been found for this information. Anecdotal sources suggest different things, and the announcements (of dates and venues) at the beginnings of discourse tapes have been expunged by Pune authorities, citing (as they do) Osho's guidance.

The CD-ROM does state venues but we have to note that it has the very first Poona One discourses in both English and Hindi in Buddha Hall, though neither it nor even Chuang Tzu had been built, so the CD-ROM is not reliable either.

A more in-depth exploration of this theme can be found at the page on these venues.

Meanwhile, Neeten's Osho Source Book has been updated with input from many sources concerning the various verandahs of Lao Tzu House used for discourses and the time(s) discourses were given. It is difficult to form a consistent picture about the porch / balcony / verandah scenario before Chuang Tzu finally came on line in 1975, but Neeten has sifted through this pile of input to come up with a preliminary understanding, may get updated with final revisions to OSB. He shared this by email:
1.First discourses were on the porch, the later car porch. Also in her earlier writings Veena calls this a veranda. Punya has a fine photo from here in OSB.
2. Discourses moved from here in August 1974 to the balcony upstairs in Lao Tzu, backside, called upstairs veranda by Veena. B&W photo from this setting is in a darshan diary.
3. Chuang Tzu was ready in March 1975.
4. Buddha Hall was ready from July 1977.
About the times, it has become clearer. There is a consensus in the sources about a major shift from the pattern of evening talks carried over from Mumbai changing to mornings in Pune. And Neeten's research into the audio versions of these talks has revealed precisely when that major shift occurred, from Roots and Wings ~ 01 to Roots and Wings ~ 02. This last detail is not reported yet on his site but by email. For the rest of it, see Neeten's page on Poona 1: Volume 2, Part 4, section 4.5, Discourses in Chuang Tzu Auditorium. See also below for more on the "Silent Periods" of 1974, also from this section of Neeten's OSB. -- updated doofus-9 20:17, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Silent periods

Source for the info on the two silent periods is the timeline in the images taken from The Sound of Running Water. -- doofus-9 07:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Without being terribly precise, there are many anecdotal reports on these two silent periods in section 4.5 (link above) from Neeten. They were the result of a bout or bouts of pneumonia which was/were severe enough to give rise to rumours of leaving Pune. Things settled and Osho stayed in Pune, as we know now. -- doofus-9 09:45, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

i just added "Bikaner Palace Hotel" as the January location in Mt Abu. source is the opening of Krishna Prem's book and also his article in the Osho Viha mag. --Rudra (talk) 01:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Enlightenment Day celebration and move

was Osho present during the enlightment day celebrations? if so, they should be shown as two (separate) events.--Rudra 10:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


That is believed to be the case, and we're working on sourcing that. For starters, we can say that Laherubhai's book Blessed Moments with Osho states in ch 26 that: "On March 21, 1974, in the morning, Osho celebrated his 21st enlightenment day at his residence in Woodland with grand celebration and ceremony and completed one phase of his work and in the afternoon we all left for his new residence at Pune. He paid obeisance, by folding his hands to his lovers and sat in the back seat of the Impala car. The car was decorated with beautiful flowers. Laxmi was driving the car.

We, a lot of friends, left in our respective cars for Pune with Osho. Thousands of people had gathered in the area of Woodland and Pedder Road to giver a heartful farewell to Osho. The [enlightenment celebration] and the whole journey from Woodland to Pune was filmed in 16 mm film."

No mention is made of the event in Pune, but absence of proof is not proof of absence. The 16-mm reel used for the filming of the events of the day may be the one Laheru refers to in another part of his book that was destroyed by Madhu's husband Sw Krishna Chaitanya, who had become disaffected according to Gyan Bhed. -- doofus-9 08:52, 27 August 2020 (UTC)