Talk:Osho Timeline 1978
Hindi discourses
There may be some unclarity concerning the exact location of Hindi discourses for this period (Buddha Hall vs Chuang Tzu Auditorium). For now, location for the high season and celebrations will be entered as Buddha Hall, and for the rest of the year Chuang Tzu.
As of this writing, no reliable source has been found for this information. Anecdotal sources and memory suggest different things, and the announcements (of dates and venues) at the beginnings of discourse tapes have been expunged by Pune authorities, citing (as they do) Osho's guidance.
The CD-ROM does state venues but only for English original talks and those Hindi talks that had been translated as of 1993 or so, only about thirty and most of them preceding Poona One. As of the CD-ROM's creation, there was only one Hindi series from 1978 that had been translated, Maro He Jogi Maro (मरौ हे जोगी मरौ), which the CD-ROM said was in Buddha Hall. Its dates, Oct 1-10, put it close enough to the high season to be plausible, but we have to note that at the beginning of the Poona One period, neither Buddha Hall nor Chuang Tzu had been built, but the CD-ROM has the very first discourses in both English and Hindi in Buddha Hall, so we may have reliability issues there as well.
A more in-depth exploration of this theme can be found at the page on these venues.
Guru Purnima
Perhaps date of the Darshan of July 20 is not accurate. The music album 1978-07-20 Guru Purnima Darshan mentions Jul 25. I think the last date is more suitable, because Guru Purnima celebration in 1980 was Jul 27 (see 1980-07-27 Guru Purnima Darshan). --DhyanAntar 10:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Aha, interesting point. I found in my notes "Guru Purnima = Ashad Purnima = Full Moon Festival is on or around July 25. So not a fixed date. The audio tape came with a cover without a clearly stated date. The date used for this Gurnu Purnima Darshan in the Osho Music Archive is not proof that it was that date: it may have been just an assumption. Still, it is worth checking if this is correct.
Aha, I just googled "Full Moon 1978" and find for July: "Thursday, 20 July 1978, 04:04:48 am CET."
So unless any other info comes up, the title of that audio should be changed. --Sugit (talk) 13:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
And where did the date for this music album of darshan come from? --DhyanAntar 18:32, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Actually, I don't know. Either it was part of the information that I got from Tobias, the guy who has digitized the tapes. Or there was no date known, and I have added that date as being "probably near that date". --Sugit (talk) 18:54, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
You can count on Guru Purnima being on the full moon day/night. That is when it happens. It is a traditional somewhat multi-sectarian special day observed throughout India on the full moon in July to honour and celebrate one's guru. (Not sure how they deal with those occasional July's when there are two full moons.)
The only time that ever changed for sannyasins was in the Ranch era: when the Guru Purnima full moon for the first World Celebration (1982) occurred on Jul 6, they decided that was pretty convenient for being a busy time for people coming into the States (near July 4), so they kept it at July 6 for the whole ranch time and called it Master's Day, but that reverted back to Guru Purnima full moon day in Pune Two. Now, there are no special days, "every day is a celebration". -- doofus-9 02:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
G.P. has nothing to do with July or the Hindu Ashadha but with the simple rule : This day marks the first peak of the lunar cycle after the peak of the solar cycle.
--Rudra (talk) 12:43, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
OK good we found out. I will change the names of the celebrations involved. --Sugit (talk) 17:08, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
W'pedia has on its Guru Purnima page two ways of defining GP. One is the way Rudra refers to above, the other is the full moon (purnima) of Ashadha. They are not fully compatible. I could not find a more authoritative definition, so i went cruising for dates, thinking that eventually a late July or late June date will turn up, and so it came to pass.
In 2015, we have GP on July 31. There is another full moon that year in July, on the 2nd, but it is not a GP. The month the July 2nd Purnima is in is called Adhik Ashadha, meaning extra Ashadha. "Extra" months are inserted every 32.5 months or so, to correct the drift away from solar calendars (like the Gregorian) so that seasons, constellations and so on still come "at the right time". The extra lunar month is not always another Ashadha but that's how it happened in 2015. (The "drift" is because the "lunar year" of twelve lunar cycles takes ~354 days, while the solar cycle is ~365 days.)
This clearly makes the first full moon after the solstice not always correct. It looks like "July" is not necessarily a proper standard either, especially since it is a Western concept unknown when the Hindu calendars were created, but it may still produce accurate enough results.
Apparently Ashadha is not entirely a reliable standard either, though it is probably correct, but there are different systems that involve Ashadha, and not all consistent, so users have to know what they're doing. -- doofus-9 02:23, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
what a mess ;)
how about this page [1] which places GP in Poona on the 20th July 78 ?
and on another matter, although related , shouldn't we enter "Satsang" into all the celebration dates? even though we were celebrating, Osho gave Satsang with his silent presence. this is assuming he was present at all the celebrations ?? --Rudra (talk) 05:37, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Silent period
Talking about a Silent period, according to Take It Easy, Vol 2 (1979) p.331, there was a 4 day silent period where Osho was not present, but there were silent gatherings in Buddha Hall. See the pictures in the book: empty chair etc. Do we add those as an event? --Sugit (talk) 11:23, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
