Talk:Osho Timeline 1980
There may be some unclarity concerning the exact location of Hindi discourses for this period (Buddha Hall vs Chuang Tzu Auditorium). For now, location has been entered as Buddha Hall.
As of this writing, no reliable source has been found for this information. Anecdotal sources and memory suggest different things, and the announcements (of dates and venues) at the beginnings of discourse tapes have been expunged by Pune authorities, citing (as they do) Osho's guidance.
The CD-ROM does state venues but only for English original talks and those Hindi talks that had been translated as of 1993 or so, only about thirty and most of them preceding Pune One. There are no Hindi discourses from 1980 that have been translated, so no record there. And furthermore, at the beginning of the Pune One period, neither Buddha Hall nor Chuang Tzu had been built, but the CD-ROM has the very first discourses in both English and Hindi in Buddha Hall, so we may have reliability issues there as well.
A more in-depth exploration of this theme can be found at the page on these venues.
About the Feb and Mar Darshan Diaries and Rahiman Dhaga:
1. If You Choose to Be with Me, You Must Risk Finding Yourself purported to be only one darshan talk, given on Feb 1. This appears to be a maladaptation of the record in the CD-ROM, which purports to have ten darshan talks, from Feb 1-10. This is itself maladapted, likely because wrong info was fed into it. In any case, the writer knows for a fact that there were darshans all that month, as normal, but the records were compressed and jumbled, with the result that one cannot know which days any of them happened.
2. Fingers Pointing to the Moon is almost certainly in a similar boat. It purported to be seven darshan talks given on Mar 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13. At least in this case the wiki followed the CD-ROM, but there is every reason to believe that the CD-ROM has this completely wrong as well, with Mar very likely another near-normal month, but somehow jumbled into these seven odd days. No such aberration happened, as far as the writer can remember. (Which sometimes isn't very far, but given the distortions of Feb, Mar too must be highly suspect.) A sample just now of the "Mar 1 darshan" showed 54 people taking sannyas. This would not have happened in one night, more like four, by the standard of those days. Multiply four by seven and add three nights missing because of a likely short-duration chicken-pox quarantine (see Rahiman's discussion page about that) and you got your 31 days, and Bob's your uncle. BUT ... see Rahiman caveat below.
- Numbers above are slightly inaccurate, according to a more thorough survey of the darshan material for Feb and Mar. In particular, the "Mar 1" figures are now reckoned at 49. See Feb-Mar-1980 Darshans for the complete survey + methodology. -- doofus-9 18:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
3. Rahiman Dhaga Prem Ka (रहिमन धागा प्रेम का): Above was written about Pointing's intersection with Rahiman and its presumed chicken-pox episode before fully grokking the details of Eighty Four Thousand Poems' dates. Since Poems is missing two nights in early April (2nd and 3rd), there is a significant chance that this is when Rahiman's missing three days happened, not in late Mar as previously supposed. All in all, it may still be somewhat more likely that it was late Mar, but this cannot be taken as anywhere near certain. Thus, regarding Rahiman's dates, we can only be relatively certain about Apr 5-10, with Apr 2-4 at best a decent bet. -- doofus-9 (talk) 10:47, 27 January 2015 (PST)
- Current dates of Timeline (27 Mar - 1 Apr, 5 Apr - 10 Apr) are correct, it confirmed by 1980 edition of Rahiman Dhaga Prem Ka.--DhyanAntar 05:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
The Golden Wind, # 27, Just the Tip of the Iceberg, # 8 and Is the Grass Really Greener...?, # 11 have been left out intentionally to maintain synchronicity with the days of the month. --Rudra (talk) 08:42, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
agree with two DD, they are not on CD-ROM, but Just the Tip of the Iceberg, # 8 IS there. There is only a small note, but in contrast to the other two, for which the numbering is skipped, for this DD is whole the chapter. Let's that DD (# 8) in brackets to Timeline? Otherwise, you can see the skip of the chapter (name of the Event).--DhyanAntar 16:08, 9 January 2018 (UTC)