Talk:Prem Aur Vivah (प्रेम और विवाह)

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There are hints about this book Vivah but nothing conclusive. One big thing is its association with Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (6 talks). "Prem Aur Vivah" is one of the chapter titles of that book, and the books are featured with each other on bookseller sites: "similar" or "related" or "customers who bought this bought that" and suchlike.

And there's its size. This is a small book, only 52 pages in the Diamond edition, and those pages a small size at that, 15 cm x 15 cm. (And an odd shape while we're here, too.) Thus it could pass for a single chapter excerpt of Nari.

OR it could be an ordinary themed compilation, with little snippets from all over, and nothing to do with Nari, take yer pick.

Since the above was written, info on the 1971 and 1974 editions has been found. But really it doesn't settle anything. It could be a compilation or not. In fact, "compiled by" does not directly suggest that it is, just that Niklank organized the material, whatever it might have been.

But one thing it seems more and more not to be is an independent and separately arising discourse or series. Looking into its audio possibilities, i found no site offering it save Tao Vision, and that in an odd way: It was not listed among recognisable series with their mp3 collections or even among their audiotape listings. The one page it was found on was a listing of CDs, almost all titles unknown in other contexts. The current presumption is that these are mainly single discourses or fragments, Osho speaking on particular themes, some possibly even stitched-together audio compilations.

So no Timeline listing for this one for now. -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 06:21, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Oct 2017 update:

Osho's brother Shailendra has weighed in on the origins of this little thing. He says it really was a one-talk booklet in its first incarnation, and that later it was incorporated into the larger Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or (संभोग से समाधि की ओर). It is indeed one of the chapter titles there, apparently arriving via Nari, since all the talks of Nari are also in Sambhog.

Shailendra also says that the theme, "Love and Marriage", is not, as one might wonder, antithetical to Osho's other messages about marriage, just that its main focus is that love must precede marriage. -- doofus-9 19:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


This small book was also incorporated into Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (4 talks) as ch.2.--DhyanAntar 06:25, 8 July 2020 (UTC)