Talk:Prem Darshan (प्रेम दर्शन)

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No trace of a published book could be found but we may be on the track of the dates of the camp where talks were given. Neeten's Osho Source Book (Appendix page) has a lot of data gathered from many sources and still largely in raw form. Entries mentioning Bhavnagar are rare but there IS one four-day, four-discourse event there and that is Jan 16-19, 1970. The only catch with that is that another series is deemed to have taken place there and at that time, Satya Ki Khoj. This is not the coup de grace for Prem Darshan in that slot however, since Satya has possible conflicts in its dates, being also deemed to have taken place Feb 25-27, 1969, and in fact, the more that is learned, the more likely it seems that the Bhavnagar slot is not Satya's.

See Satya's discussion page for a full exploration of those conflicts, including the possibility that there are two series named "Satya Ki Khoj". As for here, the principle of simplest resolution of a mishmash of data tends to point to Prem Darshan inheriting this spot, so that has been granted tentatively. Stay tuned. And it does not affect this but Neeten mentions another small series named simply "Siksha" with three talks on Jan 17-19 in Bhavnagar. That these two series could run concurrently is not at all unlikely, so this can be accepted without a problem. "Siksha" may turn out to be part of the much-scattered series Shiksha Mein Kranti (शिक्षा में क्रांति). -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 20:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

It seems Neeten's 3 talks is related with Samyak Shiksha (सम्यक शिक्षा), see Talk:Hindi series of talks with dates (source document), point 42.--DhyanAntar 04:42, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

प्रवचन: (TOC of audio at
1. असंभव घटना
2. आनंद के क्षण
3. प्रेम की अनंतता
4. विद्रोही भगवान

Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): "Satya Ki Khoj, 4 talks, 16-19.01.70", which confirmed by Letter written on 2 Dec 1969.--updated.--DhyanAntar 13:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

The letter "confirming" only confirms the dates and Bhavnagar, not the name of the series. The source doc brings back the possibility, once thought dead, of SKK actually happening on these dates. The simplest resolution of this development seems to be that the series was actually once thought of as SKK, but eventually it made sense to give it another name. -0- doofus-9 23:01, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Texts of talks (Shailendra's PDF) gives following info: 4 talks in evenings, 3 morning meditations.--DhyanAntar 13:29, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

4 tape labels confirm dates for each talk stated in the Timeline.--DhyanAntar 14:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Osho's Appointment Diary 1967-1970 (translated source document) lists first talk in Bhavnagar on 16 Jan 70 evening as "Prem Hi Hai Prabhu", which looks message of ch.1.

धर्म को हमने अभ्यास बनाया था अतीत युगों में। धर्म को अभ्यास नहीं बनाया जा सकता। धर्म प्रेम की ही तरह की घटना है। इसलिए मैं कहता हूंः धर्म प्रेम है। और जो प्रेम के इस राज को समझ लेता है वही केवल धर्म के राज को समझ सकता है। और जीसस का यह वचन बहुत महत्वपूर्ण है, जहां उन्होंने कहा हैः लव इ.ज गॉड। जहां उन्होंने कहा हैः प्रेम ही प्रभु है। असल में प्रेम ही प्रभु है। इसका मतलब है कि प्रेम के घटने का जो मार्ग है, धर्म के घटने का भी वही मार्ग है।

--DhyanAntar 03:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)