Talk:Prem Nadi Ke Teera (प्रेम नदी के तीरा)

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event audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com (*1)
Shailendra's PDF Oshoganga Osho.com library Dates & Places
Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam ~ 05 #1 Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam 4. समर्पण के फूल (*2)
(37 / 92min) (*3)
  • 1. सामूहिक रेचन का महत्व
  • Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam 5. ध्यान और रेचन
    missing last question
  • 1. सामूहिक रेचन का महत्व
  • Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam 5. ध्यान और रेचन
    missing last question
Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam 4. ध्यान और रेचन
(text is a little different: perhaps it is closer version to transcript)
10 Sep 1970, Bombay
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 02 #2 2. समर्पण के फूल 2. समर्पण के फूल 2. समर्पण के फूल 1. समर्पण के फूल unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 03 #3
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
3a. Talk #3 (no title)
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
3. पहले सक्रियता फिर अक्रिया
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
3. पहले सक्रियता फिर अक्रिया
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
2. पहले सक्रियता फिर अक्रिया
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 04 #4
missing beginning and end
3b. Talk #4 (no title)
missing beginning and end
4. धर्म को गुरु नहीं, शिष्य चाहिए
missing beginning and end
4. धर्म को गुरु नहीं, शिष्य चाहिए
missing beginning and end
3. धर्म को गुरु नहीं, शिष्य चाहिए
missing beginning and end
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 05 #5
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
4a. Talk #5 (no title)
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
5. पति-पत्नी और प्रेम
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
5. पति-पत्नी और प्रेम
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
4. पति-पत्नी और प्रेम
beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 06 #6 (*4) 4b. Talk #6 (no title) (*4) 6. गुरु होना आसान है, शिष्य बनना मुश्किल 6. गुरु होना आसान है, शिष्य बनना मुश्किल 5. गुरु होना आसान है, शिष्य बनना मुश्किल unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 07 #7
beginning incomplete?
5. ध्यानी को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है
beginning incomplete?
7. ध्यानी को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है
beginning incomplete?
7. ध्यानी को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है
beginning incomplete?
6. ध्यानी को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है
beginning incomplete?
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 08 #8
beginning and end incomplete
6. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है
beginning and end incomplete
8. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है
beginning and end incomplete
8. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है
beginning and end incomplete
7. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है
beginning and end incomplete
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 09 #9
end incomplete
7. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाए
end incomplete
9. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाएं
end incomplete
9. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाए
end incomplete
8. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाए
end incomplete
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 10 #10
beginning incomplete, end incompete too?
8. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है
beginning incomplete, end incompete too?
10. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है
beginning incomplete, end incompete too?
10. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है
beginning incomplete, end incompete too?
9. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है
beginning incomplete, end incompete too?
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 11
  • #11 (44min)
    missing beginning (beginning of audio is synced with below audio at 1:01:50 of NSKK #5)
  • middle part of Naye Samaj Ki Khoj #5 (from 0:52:23 to 1:47:08) (complete) (*5)
9. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है
missing beginning
  • 11. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है
    missing beginning
  • middle part of Naye Samaj Ki Khoj 5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (p.82-96)
  • 11. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है
    missing beginning
  • middle part of Naye Samaj Ki Khoj 5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष
  • 10. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है
    missing beginning
  • second part of Naye Samaj Ki Khoj 5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (web-p.14-26)
31 May 1969, Bombay (*6)
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 12 #12
beginning incomplete, end incomplete too?
10. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण
beginning incomplete, end incomplete too?
12. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण
beginning incomplete, end incomplete too?
12. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण है
beginning incomplete, end incomplete too?
11. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण है
beginning incomplete, end incomplete too?
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 13 #13
beginning incomplete
11. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें
beginning incomplete
13. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें
beginning incomplete (audios more complete in beginning)
13. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें
incompleteness is the same as in Shailendra's PDF
12. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें
incompleteness is the same as in Shailendra's PDF
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 14 #14 (*7)
beginning incompete, last minute with chat untranscribed
12. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में (*8)
beginning incompete, missing second half
14. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में
beginning incomplete
14. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में
beginning incomplete
13. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में
beginning incomplete
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 15 #15
beginning incomplete
13. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है
beginning incomplete (first 15 sec of poor quality is left out, it is available in OW version)
15. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है
beginning incomplete
15. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है
beginning incomplete
14. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है
beginning incomplete
unknown
Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 16 #16
text before Osho talking is untranscribed; last min is very poor quality, sound breaking and is losting
1. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है
text before Osho talking is untranscribed; last min is very poor quality, sound breaking and is losting
16. लीला का अर्थ है वर्तमान में जीना
beginning incomplete
16. लीला का अर्थ है वर्तमान में जीना
beginning incomplete
15. लीला का अर्थ है वर्तमान में जीना
beginning incomplete
unknown
Notes
(*1) Audios of Khajana collection have numbers as Shailendra's PDF.
(*2) The title of this audio on OSHO.com, "समर्पण के फूल" is in fact the same as the title of ch.2 of this series, probably a mixup.
The audio-mp3-tag, "Dhyan Aur Rechan", rather seems the correct title.
Earlier, this audio was part of current series as #1, as shown in the Khajana collection and as it still is at OshoWorld audios.
All mp3-numbers of the Khajana collection are the same as in the OW collection.
Thereafter, on OSHO.com it was moved to Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam #4.
(So on OSHO.com, the Prem Nadi Ke Teera-series now has only 15 events, and all their remaining numbers are one less.)
(*3) Audio 4 at osho.com (event 5) is stated as 37min, but is in fact 92min.
(*4) Sound lost for 10 sec from 00:32 in OW audio and from 00:49 in osho.com audio.
(*5) At 1:46:49 sound breaks, a couple of words missing and then continues. OW PNKT #11 audio doesn't have this problem.
(*6) Date needs confirmation, see footnote (*7) on Talk:Naye Samaj Ki Khoj (नये समाज की खोज).
(*7) Sound lost on 10 seconds from 38:56.
(*8) At 33:24 audio jumps to the end. Its duration is 43 min.

Deliberations

प्रवचन (TOC):
1. सामूहिक रेचन का महत्व
2. समर्पण के फूल
3, 4, 5, 6, नेम नांट अवेलेबल (Nem Nant Avelebal -- IKYN)
7. ध्यान को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है
8. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है
9. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाएं
10. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है
11. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है
12. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण
13. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें
14. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में
15. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है
16. लीला का अर्थ है वर्तमान में जीना

Above TOC was from Osho World's audiobook. Turns out the osho.com audiobook offering has a few slight differences:

1: the talks not available in OW were in o.com, but arranged as two mp3s of two talks each, so that the whole package is of 14 mp3s (@ Rs 100 a pop). All of the #3 - #6 are fairly short, the shortest of the 16 talks, and in o.com were still untitled.
2: for talk #7, o.com has ध्यानी, not ध्यान, makes more sense afaict.
3: for talk #9, o.com has बनाए, not बनाएं, no comment

And again, Hindi blurb thanks to osho.com, replacing the previous one, which again was mistakenly taken from another book's blurb, Prem Hai Dwar Prabhu Ka (प्रेम है द्वार प्रभु का), the same one which had got its blurb mistakenly from another book. Cascading errors! -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 17:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


Osho.com library gives 1968 year in his Copyrights.--DhyanAntar 10:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


Some extracts from Shailendra's PDFs:

ch.1: talk given during 3-day med. camp. 1st question starts: "Many people have such thoughts about what can happen with a three-day camp?.."
last question: "Question: The way you imagine a society moving through love, there will be a pattern in the society as well, will there be some regulations, etc.? Will there be anything to control or not? Response: We will talk about it day after tomorrow." (Reference to ?)
ch.4: talk given during a med. camp. "Just now there was a woman in this camp…"
ch.9: in the end: "Do these things more that you have to do, come tomorrow at three o'clock. It will be three to four and a half hours. And evening ..." (Reference to ?)

--DhyanAntar 15:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)