Talk:Purva Ka Dharm: Paschim Ka Vigyan (पूर्व का धर्म : पश्चिम का विज्ञान)

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Sources for this book are rather thin. In particular, there is only one mention in Neeten's Osho Source Book, from which all our info has come. Additionally there is a sort-of mention in the e-books section at Osho World, "sort of" referring to their title "Purva Dharama Amritkan." Couple of things about that: First, it is not actually available at OW, so the possibility of looking at it is currently non-existent, and the "Amritkan", likely a variant of Amrit Kan (अमृत कण), may mean it is not related at all. Well okay, but it still MAY be. -- doofus-9 (talk) 12:04, 26 September 2014 (PDT)


Other source is a list from March 1971 in Hindi Books in Print Lists.--DhyanAntar 03:28, 19 April 2019 (UTC)


Transliteration of पश्चिम is incorrect. It should be "pashchim", right?--DhyanAntar 08:01, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

There are many reasons to prefer "paschim" including its widespread usage, but you are certainly right, and there eventually comes a time when correctness (and accuracy) trump commonality, and we may be there, if you want ... -- doofus-9 00:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps this was compiled later as ch 24 of Shiksha Mein Kranti (शिक्षा में क्रांति).--DhyanAntar 07:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


Checked: this is indeed ch.24 of Shiksha.--DhyanAntar 15:07, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


Tremendous, all the work you're doing to put pieces together in the old Hindi pubs.

A few thoughts about the presumed first edition: Kasturlal Gandhi has shown up as the publisher now of at least six early booklets, all in 1970-71. He worked in the office of JJK in Mumbai but seems to have been given a free hand to put these things out. His efforts have been in an ideological vein, more or less explicitly, with many of his booklets labelled as "conceptual revolution". He was concerned with big, revolutionary ideas, and this title was right up his alley.

He seems to have specialized in single-discourse cheap booklets, with the source talks not necessarily recent, but possibly overlooked earlier talks. At least one was from a camp in Nargol in 1968 when Osho spoke specifically to a group of kids he may have been among. One of the things being promoted in that camp was "Yuvak Kranti Dal", or "Youth Revolutionary Party", and Kasturlal's group Youthforce sounds a lot like may have derived from that. (Youthforce being named as the publisher in a few of these booklets.)

This booklet, Purva ka Dharm, has a couple of features that set it apart from the others. First, it is the only one with a picture on the cover. It is a striking drawing of Osho, first seen on the 16 Aug 1969 issue of Yukrand (युक्रांद). It is a good quality image, so he has not just copied it from Yukrand but evidently connected with the artist, Sw Chaitanya Veetaraga, then of Raipur. And the text is said to have been edited by "Bheekamchand" of Jabalpur, whose name has not been seen much outside of the context of Jabalpur, so some networking has been going on, and this in the days when Jabalpur's phone numbers were only four digits, never mind any internet.

One more interesting feature from the pub info: "compilation: sixth". It is still the first print run, ie of Kasturlal's edition, but may or may not be the first time ever printed. It tends at least to point to an earlier talk, perhaps one overlooked for a while. And Bheekamchand's involvement may point to an origin in Jabalpur, or at least Madhya Pradesh or upstate Maharashtra. -0- doofus-9 00:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


First published in Yukrand (युक्रांद), Varsh 1, issue 23 (1970-06-01), p.15-27. There is the clue: talk was in Junagadh med. camp. Then it should be in 1968 or 69. Who continue research? :-)--DhyanAntar 07:13, 8 January 2022 (UTC)