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:(*2) These two audios are selling as one audio on osho.com. They are #2 and #3 in Khajana collection, rest audios numbered there #4-7.
:(*2) These two audios are selling as one audio on osho.com. They are #2 and #3 in Khajana collection, rest audios numbered there #4-7.
:(*3) Source of date: 2004ed. of ''[[Sambodhi Ke Kshan (सम्बोधि के क्षण)]]'', Oshoganga, ''Sambodhi'' OW e-book. See [[Talk:Sambodhi Ke Kshan (सम्बोधि के क्षण)]].
:(*3) Source of date: 2004ed. of ''[[Sambodhi Ke Kshan (सम्बोधि के क्षण)]]'', Oshoganga, ''Sambodhi'' OW e-book. See [[Talk:Sambodhi Ke Kshan (सम्बोधि के क्षण)]].
:(*4) About date and last 14 min of the talk see footnote (*5) of [[Talk:Naye Samaj Ki Khoj (नये समाज की खोज)]].
:(*4) About date and last 14 min of the talk see footnote (*13) of [[Talk:Naye Samaj Ki Khoj (नये समाज की खोज)]].
:(*5) First version of Shailendra's PDF of this book has a few mixed up last parts of talks. He checked and corrected the PDF. He said osho.com audios are correct. That is (left parts are first version text):
:(*5) First version of Shailendra's PDF of this book has a few mixed up last parts of talks. He checked and corrected the PDF. He said osho.com audios are correct. That is (left parts are first version text):
:* last part of ch.5 (p.80-87, text from "और जब उनसे पूछा गया, तो उन्होंने कहा कि हमें उपयोग करना ठीक नहीं मालूम पड़ता") became end of ch.4
:* last part of ch.5 (p.80-87, text from "और जब उनसे पूछा गया, तो उन्होंने कहा कि हमें उपयोग करना ठीक नहीं मालूम पड़ता") became end of ch.4

Revision as of 07:48, 29 November 2020

Current Understanding

event audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com
Shailendra's PDF Oshoganga Osho.com library Dates & Places
Sahaj Mile Avinashi ~ 01 #1
"an intimate talk given at Hyderabad, India"
1. कविता और काव्य 1. कविता और काव्य 1. कविता और काव्य 1. कविता और काव्य 31 Mar 1967 - 4 Apr 1967 (?), Hyderabad (*1)
Sahaj Mile Avinashi ~ 02 #2
intro: "an intimate talk given in Bombay, India"
missing first question itself, the audio starts with response to it
2. सृजन की शक्ति (first part of audio) (*2)
missing first question itself, the audio starts with response to it
  • 2. सृजन की शक्ति
    missing first question itself, it starts with response to it
  • Sambodhi Ke Kshan 8. मेरा विकल्प
    end incomplete
  • 2. सृजन की शक्ति
    missing first question itself, it starts with response to it
  • Sambodhi Ke Kshan 8. मेरा विकल्प
    end incomplete
    Bombay, 14 Sep 1969
2. सृजन की शक्ति
missing first question itself, it starts with response to it
14 Sep 1969, Bombay (*3)
Naye Samaj Ki Khoj ~ 12 #3
intro: "an intimate talk given in Bombay, India"
last 14 min are untranscribed (*4)
Naye Samaj Ki Khoj 11. समाज और सत्य
"poor quality recording"
last 14 min are untranscribed
Naye Samaj Ki Khoj 12. समाज और सत्य Naye Samaj Ki Khoj 12. समाज और सत्य Naye Samaj Ki Khoj 12. समाज और सत्य ≤Jun 1970 (am), Bombay (*4)
Sahaj Mile Avinashi ~ 03 #4
intro: "an intimate talk given in Bombay, India"
last 2 min are untranscribed
2. नये चित्त का जन्म (second part of audio) (*2)
last 2 min are untranscribed
3. नये चित्त का जन्म 3. नये चित्त का जन्म 3. नये चित्त का जन्म date unknown, Bombay
Sahaj Mile Avinashi ~ 04 #5
intro: "an intimate talk given in Delhi, India"
3. विचारना नहीं--देखना (*5) 4. विचारना नहीं--देखना (*5) 4. विचारना नहीं--देखना + last part of 5. प्रेम के क्षण (*5) 4. विचारना नहीं--देखना + last part of 5. प्रेम के क्षण (*5) date unknown, Delhi
Sahaj Mile Avinashi ~ 05 #6, from beginning to 1h 11m 14sec
intro: "an intimate talk given in Bombay, India"
4. प्रेम के क्षण (first part: before 1:11:33) 5. प्रेम के क्षण (p.66-84) 5. प्रेम के क्षण (first part) 5. प्रेम के क्षण (first part) date unknown, Bombay
erroneous part from Sambodhi Ke Kshan ~ 05 (*6) #6, middle part: from 1h 11m 14sec to 1h 30m 36sec (*6) 4. प्रेम के क्षण (middle part: from 1:11:33 to 1:31:03) 5. प्रेम के क्षण (p.84-88) (*5) 5. प्रेम के क्षण (middle part) + middle part of 6. जीवन में तीव्रता (*5) 5. प्रेम के क्षण (middle part) + middle part of 6. जीवन में तीव्रता (*5) --
Sahaj Mile Avinashi ~ 08 (*7) #6, last part: from 1h 30m 36sec (*5), (*7)
missing beginning
4. प्रेम के क्षण (last part: from 1:31:03) (*5)
missing beginning
5. प्रेम के क्षण (p.88-89) (*5)
missing beginning
last part of 6. जीवन में तीव्रता (*5)
missing beginning
last part of 6. जीवन में तीव्रता (*5)
missing beginning
unknown
Sahaj Mile Avinashi ~ 06 #7 (*8)
intro: "an intimate talk given in Bombay, India"
incomplete?
5. जीवन में तीव्रता 6. जीवन में तीव्रता (*5) 6. जीवन में तीव्रता (first part) + second part of 7. विधायक खोज 6. जीवन में तीव्रता (first part) + second part of 7. विधायक खोज date unknown, Bombay
Sahaj Mile Avinashi ~ 07 (*9) #8
intro: "an intimate talk given in Bombay, India"
first 8 min are untranscribed (*9)
6. विधायक खोज
first 8 min are untranscribed
7. विधायक खोज 7. विधायक खोज (first part) 7. विधायक खोज (first part) 13 May ~ 25 July 1971, Woodlands, Bombay (*9)
Notes
(*1) Date period based on place info only. It needs confirmation.
(*2) These two audios are selling as one audio on osho.com. They are #2 and #3 in Khajana collection, rest audios numbered there #4-7.
(*3) Source of date: 2004ed. of Sambodhi Ke Kshan (सम्बोधि के क्षण), Oshoganga, Sambodhi OW e-book. See Talk:Sambodhi Ke Kshan (सम्बोधि के क्षण).
(*4) About date and last 14 min of the talk see footnote (*13) of Talk:Naye Samaj Ki Khoj (नये समाज की खोज).
(*5) First version of Shailendra's PDF of this book has a few mixed up last parts of talks. He checked and corrected the PDF. He said osho.com audios are correct. That is (left parts are first version text):
  • last part of ch.5 (p.80-87, text from "और जब उनसे पूछा गया, तो उन्होंने कहा कि हमें उपयोग करना ठीक नहीं मालूम पड़ता") became end of ch.4
  • last part of ch.6 (p.106-108, text from "ये धर्मग्रंथ कुछ संदिग्ध मालूम होते हैं, लेकिन धर्मग्रंथ तो होने") became end of ch.5
  • last part of ch.7 (p.122-126) became end of ch.6
However these errors left in Oshoganga and osho.com library sources.
Short last part of new version of ch.5, which starts by question: "प्रश्नः बचा नहीं पाए फिर भी?", is a part of another event. See foonote (*7).
(*6) This is in fact last part of event 5 of Sambodhi Ke Kshan (सम्बोधि के क्षण) series. All sources incorrectly compiled this part of text from that series. The part starts by "कर्म भी इतने ही समग्रभाव से, उठना-बैठना भी इतने ही समग्रभाव से...". OW audio has a gap of 7 sec at 1h 27m 28s (no missing text).
(*7) This small part looks as a part of another event: after changing of sound there is other soundscape and different interviewer/questioner. It is unidentified yet. Dilip condfirmed that it doesn't belong to first part of OW audio.
(*8) Two minutes from 1h 27m 20sec of audio have a few many breaks and sound switching and it is untranscribed.
(*9) Dilip observed beginning of the event (OW audio) that was untranscribed (see transcript of that part on Sahaj Mile Avinashi ~ 07) and concluded:
a) This talk was in 1971 between Harivansh Rai Bachchan (HB), his sister and Osho at Woodlands. HB refers to publishing of his 'PRAVASH KI DAIARY' - which was in 1971 - refer Wikipedia on Harivansh Rai Bachchan.
b) Osho refers to the recent camp in Abu on Ishavasyopanishad (ईशावास्योपनिषद) and says that "this book will come soon - i will arrange to send it to you.." [Editor: published in Dec 1971.] This camp as per the timeline is during 4-10 April 1971 meditation camp at Abu. Before that Osho says "now I am talking on Geeta. One part has come and second is coming. This one and half years I will talk on Geeta - not less than that." (Geeta Darshan 8 volume - some 219 talks ends on 10th August 1975 as per the time line). [Editor: other camp in Mt Abu, 25 Sep - 2 Oct 1971, was published as Nirvan Upanishad (निर्वाण उपनिषद) doesn't fit because according to intro of OW audio place of current talk is Bombay and Osho should talking on Geeta. After Nirvan Upanishad camp Osho was talking on Geeta only in March 1972 which contradicts to year of publishing of 'Pravash Ki Daiary' (1971). Btw, Nirvan first published in May 1972. " it seems Osho refers to first published book of Geeta-series Geeta Darshan, Pushp 1 (गीता दर्शन, पुष्प १) that published in Jan 1971. Second part, Geeta Darshan, Pushp 2 (गीता दर्शन, पुष्प २) was published in March of the same year.]
c) Also in the beginning of the talk HB says that when I last came you where in Ahmedabad. That means the SMA #8 is after this camp at Abu and after Osho's talks in Ahmedabad on Geeta Darshan (2-12 May 1971) and before 25 July 1971.
d) Osho says to HB "You come to one camp". HB asks "Now when will be the camp?" Osho informs: "One in August (1-7) 1971 in Devlali - Second in October in Jaisamand 32 miles away from Udaipur - this will be a great one." Osho adds: "नब्बे मिल की झील है। और दुनिया की सबसे बड़ी आर्टिफिशियल झील है। और एकदम एकांत isolation. वहां तो सारे महल जो भी बुकिंग हो.... तो बने तो उदयपुर - नहीं तो देवलालि भी अच्छी जगह है।" It is the lake - Udaipur Guide.
Time period of 25th July to 17th August is vacant in the timeline 1971. So the the Devlali camp can fit here from 1-7 August if data can be found.
The camp referred by Osho to be held in October at Jaisamand Near Udaipur must have been shifted to Mount Abu as Nirvan Upanishad from 25th September to 2nd October in 1971. [Editor: three times farther from Udaipur than Jaisamand.]
e) If we listen to the full talk SMA #8 we can hear the ring of intercom - and Osho asks lifting the receiver: "Yes Laxmi" - that means Laxmi is reminding Osho of his program in Woodland Apartment.

Deliberations

Osho.com library gives 1967 year in his Copyrights.--DhyanAntar 07:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)