Talk:Sakshi Ka Bodh (साक्षी का बोध)

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Current Understanding

event audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com (*1)
Shailendra's PDF Osho.com library Other book editions Dates & Places
Sakshi Ka Bodh ~ 01 Sakshi Ki Sadhana #9
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1. ध्यान आत्मिक दशा है (*2)
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Sakshi Ki Sadhana 9. ध्यान आत्मिक दशा है
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1. ध्यान आत्मिक दशा है
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4 Feb 1966 am, Tulsishyam, meditation camp
Sakshi Ka Bodh ~ 02 Sakshi Ki Sadhana #10
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from 48:42 follows a part from another talk Sukh Aur Shanti ch.3
2. साक्षीभाव (*2)
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Sakshi Ki Sadhana 10. साक्षीभाव
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from p.130 follows a part from another talk Sukh Aur Shanti ch.3
2. साक्षीभाव
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4 Feb 1966 om **, Tulsishyam, meditation camp
Sakshi Ka Bodh ~ 03 Sakshi Ki Sadhana #11
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3. ध्यान एकमात्र योग है
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Sakshi Ki Sadhana 11. ध्यान एकमात्र योग है
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3. ध्यान एकमात्र योग है
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4 Feb 1966 pm, Tulsishyam, meditation camp
Sakshi Ka Bodh ~ 04 Sakshi Ki Sadhana #12
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4. सत्य की खोज
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Sakshi Ki Sadhana 12. सत्य की खोज
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4. सत्य की खोज
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5 Feb 1966 om **, Tulsishyam, meditation camp

(*1) Comparing of audios of osho.com collection based on text of osho.com library, audio titles and their durations.

(*2) Two first audios on Osho.com combined into one, two titles given for each audio.

Note: in above table should be morning and evening talk on 5 Feb and at least morning talk on 6 Feb.

Information from Jyoti Shikha (ज्योति शिखा) (is.1, Jun 1966, p.111, 115) magazine:

Morning session: 9 to 10 am;
Evening session: 4 to 5 pm
Night session: 9 to 10 pm
Discourse, Question and Answer session followed by 10 mins of meditation by Osho at the end of each session.
Questions on Need of a master, Idol worship, Bhakti, religious education of childrens.
Tulsi shyam is near Chasi river. It is located on the border of Amareli, Junagadh district and Gir Somnath district, in the Gir National Park in Gujarat state of India.
Organizers: Saurastra education and sanstriki (culture) group, Tulsi shyam vikas samiti, Ratumai Adani.
450 Participants in the camp, among them Poet Dula Kag, Ravi Shankar Dada and Durlabhji Khetani.

Deliberations

More info has surfaced about this elusive series in the form of an image of Dates and Places, from Jagdish. That the same image also deals with D&P info for Girah Hamara Sunn Mein (गिरह हमारा सुन्न में) needn't distract or detract from its info, but it is an unusual presentation, and the dates for Sakshi are fraught with difficulties, overlapping with fragments of another book, Chal Hansa Us Des (चल हंसा उस देस), which had two talks at this same camp.

First the details, then the discussion:

1. Feb 4 1966 am Tulsishyam camp
2. Feb 4 1966 om Tulsishyam camp
3. Feb 4 1966 pm Tulsishyam camp
4. Feb 5 1966 om Tulsishyam camp

These fit rather awkwardly with the two "known" dates for Chal Hansa, which are -- first two chapters, rest come later in Mumbai -- Feb 4 and 6, with no time of day specified. It would be nice to spot some simple possibility, whereby one hypothetical typo gets corrected and everything looks normal and right, but such spotting is not happening. Possibly one or two of the talks on Feb 4 were actually on the 5th, with the am's and om's shuffled around. Not simple or elegant but it might work. Why this one camp spawned two series is also a funny business. Still, it does sort of explain what happened to the "missing" Tulsishyam discourses, the gap in Chal Hansa's two camp talks in three days. -- doofus-9 08:33, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


And actually, the simplest possibility, now discerned with a wider vision, is that one of Chal Hansa's dates can be changed and then everything fits together decently. And in fact, the gap between Chal Hansa's two talks was always a bit strange, making having the four Sakshi talks first, exactly as they are described in the image, and then the two Chal Hansa talks all the more aesthetically satisfying. That it would require the least alteration to existing source data thus makes it highly attractive.

The apparent facticity of a Chal Hansa talk on Feb 4th is fairly reasonable, given its apparently solid source, a near-publication quality e-book. But a mistake there is not unthinkable, so Chal Hansa's first discourse has been moved from the 4th to the 5th in the Timeline.

For now. -- doofus-9 08:57, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


And eventually, as always seems to happen, that "now" has become a "then", and yr faithful wiki editors have come to learn that those dates for Chal Hansa's two talks, on the 4th and 6th of Feb in Tulsishyam, have become more solid, being confirmed by their mention in the hard copy RF edition of 1980. This cannot so easily be brushed aside though it is neither aesthetically pleasing nor practical, so what to do? We may have to move one or two talks of Sakshi to the 5th to make things more balanced, since four talks on the 4th and only one each on the 5th and 6th is extremely unlikely. So be it! -- doofus-9 23:12, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


Ch.2 of Chal Hansa is not part of this series, this is Jeevan Geet ~ 04 and its date in 1980 RF edition is incorrect at all.

And ch.1 of Chal Hansa is ch.2 of this series.--DhyanAntar 09:21, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


Extracts from discourses:

Ch.1: morning talk + meditation

Ch.4: "Tomorrow I will discuss what is awareness, how the awareness will awaken in the legislative organ and how it can help in leading towards the perfect development of the soul, towards the divine and towards the divine life." So, our Timeline is not complete for this Tulsishyam camp.