Talk:Satya Ki Pyas (सत्य की प्यास)

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Satya Ki Pyas ~ 01 #1 Satya Ka Anveshan 2. श्रद्धा नहीं, जिज्ञासा Satya Ka Anveshan 2. श्रद्धा नहीं, जिज्ञासा Aath Pahar Youn Jhumte ch 3 (e-book) 14 Nov 1965 pm, Kavasji Jahangir Hall, Bombay
Satya Ki Pyas ~ 02 #2 Satya Ka Anveshan 3. मौन का अर्थ Satya Ka Anveshan 3. मौन का अर्थ Aath Pahar Youn Jhumte ch 4 (e-book) 15 Nov 1965 am, Blavatsky Lodge, Bombay (*1)
Satya Ki Pyas ~ 03 #3 Satya Ka Anveshan 4. स्वयं का सत्य Satya Ka Anveshan 4. स्वयं का सत्य Aath Pahar Youn Jhumte ch 5 (e-book) 15 Nov 1965 pm, Sarla Sarjan HS, Vile Parle, Bombay
Satya Ki Pyas ~ 04 #4 1. स्वतंत्रता--विचार की, विवेक की 1. स्वतंत्रता--विचार की, विवेक की 1 Apr 1967 am, Baheti Bhavan, Hyderabad
Satya Ki Pyas ~ 05 #5 2. प्रार्थना का अर्थ 2. प्रार्थना का अर्थ 1 Apr 1967 pm, Sadhana Ashram, Hyderabad
Satya Ki Pyas ~ 06 #6 3. सरलता 3. सरलता 2 Apr 1967 am, Baheti Bhavan, Hyderabad
Satya Ki Pyas ~ 07 #7 4. आत्म-विस्मरण नहीं, आत्म-स्मरण 4. आत्म-विस्मरण नहीं, आत्म-स्मरण 2 Apr 1967 pm, Sharda Ashram, Hyderabad
Satya Ki Pyas ~ 08 #8 5. शून्यता 5. शून्यता 3 Apr 1967 am, Baheti Bhavan, Hyderabad
Satya Ki Pyas ~ 09 #9 6. अभय 6. अभय 3 Apr 1967 pm, Sharda Ashram, Hyderabad

(*1) Source of date and place is Jagdish and this place is different than the place stated in Letter written on 27 Oct 1965 - Jain Social Group, at Gritesh Hotel. Perhaps the place was changed from planned one.

Deliberations

Source of "Hyderabad" is the Hindi blurb, from o.com, who also supplied the titled discourses above, alas only six, best that could be found. Nine audios are supplied at the free download sites. It is not an unreasonable possibility that all nine talks are from Hyderabad.

Dates and Places

Satya Ki Pyas 1-6-9 + Anveshan.jpg

Some Dates and Places info is in from Jagdish, which, as often happens, sorts some things out and creates some new mysteries. Comments below.

1. Apr 1 1967 am Baheti Bhavan, Hyderabad
2. Apr 1 1967 pm Sadhana Ashram, Hyderabad (Q&A)
3. Apr 2 1967 am Baheti Bhavan, Hyderabad
4. Apr 2 1967 pm Sharda Ashram, Hyderabad (Q&A)
5. Apr 3 1967 am Baheti Bhavan, Hyderabad
6. Apr 3 1967 pm Sharda Ashram, Hyderabad (Q&A)

Not content with that, Jagdish included another version in the same image, linking Pyas with Satya Ka Anveshan (सत्य का अन्वेषण), but stirring up some questions:

Anveshan 1. no info, source Samund Samana Bund Mein #1
Anveshan 2. Nov 14 1965 pm Kavasji Jahangir Hall, Bombay, source Pyas #1
Anveshan 3. Nov 15 1965 am Blavatsky Lodge, Bombay, source Pyas #2
Anveshan 4. Nov 15 1965 pm Sarla Sarjan, Vile Parle, Bombay, source Pyas #3
Anveshan 5. no info, source Prem Ke Pankh

All right! We have nine Pyas talks noted here, divided meaningfully into six in Hyderabad and three in Mumbai. This is great but ... we have to ask which of these two subgroups really came first. We cannot have two #1s, two #2s and two #3s. While we are mulling this, we can also consult with Shailendra's massive research doc Shifting content in Hindi books (source document), linking many cross-compilations that have happened over the years, especially among early Hindi books.

He links Pyas and Anveshan in the same way, adding what is likely the original source for both, Aath Pahar Youn Jhumte (आठ पहर यूं झूमते). In Aath Pahar's info we can confirm the dates and two of the three venues (and correct the "Belesti Lodge" there to "Blavatsky", and add "Sarla Sarjan", which was a real high school in Vile Parle). And Shailendra makes it clear that Pyas #2 is not the source for both Anveshan #3 and 4, so that typo can be corrected.

So! Which came first? Are the Mumbai talks #1, 2 and 3, or #7, 8 and 9? Given the earlier dates for the Pyas talks from Mumbai, it is tempting to make them first. Given the blurb about Hyderabad, the reverse is true. It seems better to decide one way or the other than leave it in a limbo, so for now, i will lean on that flipped coin in favour of Mumbai. It can be changed later if need be.

Further to this which-came-first ... i had the brilliant idea of checking the two audio sources, OW and o.com and comparing lengths. Sure enough, the relative lengths of each discourse match well, ie OW 4-9 correspond to o.com's 1-6. Then of course i discovered this info hidden in plain sight down below in "media status". Ha ha! Anyway, it sort of establishes which comes first.
"Sort of"? Well, as the question also down below asks, "But what, then, are OW's #1-3?" We can say that they are of course Aath Pahar #3-5 but then we run into the sticky fact that none of Aath Pahar's discourses have audio, or are at least acknowledged to have video. Perhaps this is because it has been discontinued as a title in publishing and marketing. We have a big hmmmm here, but in the end it may still be viable to go with the Aath Pahar recycling model. Two sources point there, it's hard to argue with that. -- doofus-9 07:56, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

And about "Satya Ki Khoj" in the image, there is no reason for now to suppose that this has anything to do with the book Satya Ki Khoj (सत्य की खोज) that is a component of Neti-Neti (नेति-नेति) or any other Satya Ki Khoj that was hypothesized in the ramblings of SKK's talk page. We will leave it just as a data flotsam for now. -- doofus-9 18:29, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


As Aath Pahar available as e-book only, i choose to use Satya Ki Pyas name for event titles, under it as mentioned above, the series is presented on OW. See Current Understanding for comparing different sources.--DhyanAntar 06:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC)