Talk:Shanti Ki Khoj (शांति की खोज) (discourses)
Current Understanding
| event | audio, OshoWorld |
audio, Osho.com |
Dates & Places |
|---|---|---|---|
| Trisha Gai Ek Boond Se ~ 01 | Trisha Gai Ek Bund Se #1 | Trisha Gai Ek Bund Se 1. शांति की खोज (*1) | 30 Jan 1969 pm, Ruia College, Bombay |
| Trisha Gai Ek Boond Se ~ 02 | Trisha Gai Ek Bund Se #2 incomplete |
Trisha Gai Ek Bund Se 2. सात चक्रों की साधना incomplete |
31 Jan 1969 pm, Ruia College, Bombay |
| Trisha Gai Ek Boond Se ~ 03 | Trisha Gai Ek Bund Se #3 incomplete (only beginning of med. instructions) |
Trisha Gai Ek Bund Se 3. संकल्प की कुंजी incomplete (only beginning of med. instructions) |
1 Feb 1969 pm, Ruia College, Bombay |
| Trisha Gai Ek Boond Se ~ 04 | Trisha Gai Ek Bund Se #4 | Trisha Gai Ek Bund Se 4. सत्य की छाया है शांति | 2 Feb 1969 pm, Ruia College, Bombay |
(*1) Beginning and end of both audios match but osho.com version on 16min longer than OW version. It is strange.
Deliberations
Largely a condensation and streamlining of Trisha Gai's Talk page, this page traces the development of the rationale for considering SKK the original title for Trisha Gai.
Dates
Dates for the talks are speculative but far from unlikely. The Jabalpur section of Neeten's Osho Source Book cites a quote from chap 1 of Trisha Gai dated Jan 1969. And in his Appendix, a mention of four discourses titled Shanti Ki Khoj from Jan 30 to Feb 2 of that year given in Bombay. Clearly this is not the Shanti Ki Khoj (शांति की खोज) (individual talks) of talks with Ma Anand Urmila in Jabalpur in 1966-67. And noting that "Shanti Ki Khoj" is the title of the first chapter of Trisha Gai, it is highly suggestive of talks for the book at least starting then. And this was the first hint, though it was not heeded.
- update 18:25, 22 October 2018 (UTC): Shailendra adds that these dates are solid and in fact "Shanti Ki Khj" was the name of the four-day camp in Mumbai.
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- And to really nail it down, we have a Dates and Places image from Jagdish:
- 1. Jan 30 1969 pm Ruia College, Bombay
- 2. Jan 31 1969 pm Ruia College, Bombay
- 3. Feb 1 1969 pm Ruia College, Bombay
- 4. Feb 2 1969 pm Ruia College, Bombay (Q&A)
- Cool! -- 07:14, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Discussion re the translation
(Copied whole from Trisha Gai's talk page)
The translation The Search for Peace says: "Extemporaneous talks given by Osho in Mumbai, India". And the translation has 4 chapters. --Sugit (talk) 18:29, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Since "Shanti Ki Khoj" basically translates as "The Search for Peace", this should just about nail it, except Search for Peace and "Shanti Ki Khoj" (as pointed to in Neeten's Appendix) have only four discourses / chapters. Okay, we can say that that covers four of the seven chapters of Trisha Gai, but what about the other three?
We can consider chapter titles. Translated chapter titles are not often faithful to their original titles but ya never know. Below are rough translations of Trisha Gai's seven titles above. Do they (four of them, maybe the first four) resemble those in Search for Peace?
- 1: Search for Peace
- 2: Meditation on the Seven Chakras
- 3: The Key to Resolution
- 4: Peace is the Shadow of Truth
- 5: Search for Truth
- 6: Experience of the Divine
- 7: Three Sutras for Awakening
FWIW, "Search for Truth" shows up in Neeten's Appendix as a single discourse ("Satya Ki Khoj") on Oct 2, 1968 in Mulund, a 'burb of Mumbai, but neither of the last two show up anywhere. May not mean anything, as search for truth is a fairly common theme. -- doofus-9 01:08, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, The Search for Peace seems to contain the first four chapters of this book. For the TOC see Talk:The Search for Peace.
Chapter titles 2 - 4 are about the same, chapter one's title is different but starts with a lot of talk about peace. --Sugit (talk) 20:34, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Establishing Shanti Ki Khoj as the original title
It is interesting to contrast osho.com's audiobook offering for Trisha Gai with that of Osho World above. Osho.com only has the first four, those relating to SKK. Taken together with the four-chapter translation The Search for Peace and Neeten's citation of four talks collectively called Shanti Ki Khoj, we have fairly solid support for an assertion from Shailendra that SKK was in fact the original title of Trisha Gai, at least for the first four talks.
We have no idea of the origins of Trisha Gai's last three discourses. One possibility of course is that they are also part of SKK but so far all signs are that SKK's first four are all there are. -- doofus-9 07:53, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- update 18:25, 22 October 2018 (UTC): Shailendra is now saying that Trisha Gai's last three discourses are from another series, Jeevan Satya Ki Khoj (जीवन सत्य की खोज), so these four for SKK are all there are.
