Talk:Swayam Ki Satta (स्वयं की सत्ता)
Current Understanding
| event | audio, OshoWorld |
audio, Osho.com |
Shailendra's PDF | Oshoganga | Osho.com library | Dates & Places |
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| Swayam Ki Satta ~ 01 | #1 intro: "a talk given at Bombay, India" |
1. स्वयं की सत्ता का बोध | 1. स्वयं की सत्ता का बोध | 1. स्वयं की सत्ता का बोध | 1. स्वयं की सत्ता का बोध | 14 Apr 1966, 18:30, Birla Kreeda Kendra, Chowpatti, Bombay |
| Swayam Ki Satta ~ 02 | #2 incomplete? intro: "a talk given at Bombay, India" |
2. स्वयं की सत्ता ही सत्य है incomplete? |
2. स्वयं की सत्ता ही सत्य है incomplete? |
2. स्वयं की सत्ता ही सत्य है incomplete? |
2. स्वयं की सत्ता ही सत्य है incomplete? |
15 Apr 1966 pm, Birla Kreeda Kendra, Chowpatti, Bombay |
| Swayam Ki Satta ~ 03 | Aankhon Dekhi Sanch 2. स्वयं की खोज | Aankhon Dekhi Sanch 2. स्वयं की खोज | 3. स्वयं की खोज | 16 Apr 1966 pm, Birla Kreeda Kendra, Chowpatti, Bombay | ||
| Aankhon Dekhi Sanch ~ 02 | #3 intro: "a talk given at Poona, India" |
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3. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति | 3. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति | Aakhon Dekhi Sanch 2. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति | 10 Jun 1966 pm, M.E.S. College, Poona |
| Swayam Ki Satta ~ 04 | #4 intro: "a talk given at Bombay, India" |
4. छोड़ें दौड़ और देखें missing greetings |
4. छोड़ें दौड़ और देखें | 4. छोड़ें दौड़ और देखें | 4. छोड़ें दौड़ और देखें | 17 Sep 1966, 9:00, Sunderbai Hall, Bombay (*1) |
| Swayam Ki Satta ~ 05 | #5 intro: "a talk given at Bombay, India" |
5. जागो और देखो | 5. जागो और देखो | 5. जागो और देखो | 5. जागो और देखो | 18 Sep 1966, 9:00, Birla Kreeda Kendra, Chowpatti, Bombay (*2) |
| Swayam Ki Satta ~ 06 | #6 intro: "a talk given at Bombay, India" |
6. भार क्या है? | 6. भार क्या है? | 6. भार क्या है? | 6. भार क्या है? | 19 Sep 1966 am, Vile Parle, Bombay (*3) |
| Swayam Ki Satta ~ 07 | #7 intro: "a talk given at Bombay, India" |
7. पूछें--मैं कौन हूं? | 7. पूछें--मैं कौन हूं? | 7. पूछें--मैं कौन हूं? | 7. पूछें--मैं कौन हूं? | 20 Sep 1966 am, Khar, Bombay |
- Notes
- (*1) Jagdish stated Sundrabai Hall and Surendra Hall. Google maps can find Sunderbai Hall in Mumbai. Osho's Itinerary#1966 and confirmes Sunderbai and also adds 9 am time. Organizer: Bharat Jain Mahamandal, Bombay Branch
- (*2) Osho's Itinerary#1966 confirmes place and date and adds 9 am time.
- (*3) Osho's Itinerary#1966 gives on 8 am on the same date other place Madhav Baug, CP Tank, located more than 1 hour by car. It is unclear if one of them is right or both.
Jyoti Shikha (ज्योति शिखा) magazine (issue 1, Jun 1966, p.117-118) about 14-17 Apr series:
- 14-17 Apr 1966 morning and evening discourses
- place Birla Kreeda Kendra, Chowpati, Bombay
- organizer: Jivan Jagriti Kendra, Bombay
- peoples from Gujrat, Rajasthan, Punjab, Marati, shidhi, North India, parsi and Muslim community attended the discourse. Peoples from Poona had come to listen the discourse.
Deliberations
No trace of a published book could be found, nor time frame for the discourses, aside from the mention of Pune and Mumbai.
An interesting aspect of this series might be a theme implied by the word "Satta," meaning power. It is not a word Osho uses much, likely because of its susceptibility to corruption. And "Swayam Ki Satta," roughly personal power, one's own power, the power of one's self, well, it's unusual. But as "usual," he goes for it to the hilt; the title of the second discourse means, roughly, "Swayam Ki Satta is the only truth." -- Sarlo (talk) 00:20, 15 August 2014 (PDT)
- प्रवचन (TOC):
- 1. स्वयं की सत्ता का बोध
- 2. स्वयं की सत्ता ही सत्य है
- 3. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति
- 4. छोड़ें दौड़ और देखें
- 5. जागो और देखो
- 6. भार क्या है?
- 7. पूछें--मैं कौन हूं?
Dates and Places info rec'd from Jagdish, images right. While it's mainly a boon, there is the unfortunate conflict between the two versions re talk #3. Still, hard to complain. Six out of seven ain't bad, and as a bonus, a new but completely infoless eighth talk that no one has ever heard of before. We can file it in 
. Collating the two versions:
- 1. Apr 14 1966 pm Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
- 2. Apr 15 1966 pm Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
- 3. Jun 12 1966 pm MES College, Poona (Q&A, theme incl Education)
- or Apr 16 1966 pm Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
- 4. Sep 17 1966 am Sunderbai Hall, Bombay
- 5. Sep 18 1966 am Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
- 6. Sep 19 1966 am Vile Parle, Bombay
- 7. Sep 20 1966 am Khar, Bombay
- 8. unknown date um unknown location, unknown city
About poor ch 3, there is good reason to go with the talk in Pune, since the blurb for the series mentions talks "given by Osho in Pune and Mumbai on various aspects of life", and this would be the only one to hold up the Pune end of that deal, possibly excepting even poorer ch 8, about which nothing can be said except, "Good luck!"
It must be said that there is also a good reason not to go with Jun 12 pm in Pune, and that is that there is already another talk at that precise time, Aankhon Dekhi Sanch ~ 05, also in Pune. But there are ways around this: minor errors, two evening dates, etc. At least both talks are in Pune. And Swayam #3's venue MES College is on Mangaldas Rd, not far from Koregaon Park. A sign!
- 12 Jun looks incorrect as that talk is second talk of 5 in Poona, so date is 10 Jun pm.
- Thus there are two different ch.3, see table above, it means both images with dates from Jagdish are right.--DhyanAntar 04:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- "M.E.S. College" - source is Jyoti Shikha (ज्योति शिखा), issue 2, Sep 1966, p.105.--DhyanAntar 01:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Aside from the above objection to Jun 12 in Pune, the case for Apr 16 in Birla's place is rather thinner, resting mainly on the attractiveness of having talks run in a series at the same venue. Which could also just as easily be a copy-paste error. Will go with Pune for now, as the need for at least one talk in Pune outweighs the apparent conflict. -- doofus-9 06:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Extracts from Shailendra's PDF:
ch.1: first talk of 3-day session. "So let me tell you, I am, I have power, we do not realize this. And who does not even understand this, what else will happen in his life? One who does not have a sense of being, what else can happen next in his life? Nothing can happen in his life. There can be nothing but sorrow, pain and worry in his life. There cannot be bliss and light in his life. The first cornerstone of any intense feeling of life is to be yourself. It will take time that we know and believe ourselves"
"There is truth of the world in sleep itself, one who wakes up does not know the world to be true. It does not mean that walls disappear, and roads disappear, and people disappear; That means that our evaluation of the world, our perception of seeing the world, the fantasy of believing the world as true, living everything at its center, becomes meaningless, and it becomes known that We were building a place where there was no foundation, and we were engrossed in building houses of air somewhere."
"The one who sees the power within us, the one who experiences all the experiences, is the center of our souls, until that center is held by no one and does not reach, until then he will change the options."
"Leave the world and leave the sannyas. Quitting does not mean fleeing from them, leaving means to see that which is behind both, and which can never be left, which is always with you. Whether I go to a brothel, I am with me, and if I go to the temple of God, I am with me. The brothel is also outside and the temple of God is also outside, even if I go to hell, I will be with myself and even if I go into salvation, I will still be with myself. Moksha also has no value and hell also has no value, brothel has no value, temple also has no value; The value is that which is always with me and which cannot be left out. To know him is to know the soul. To recognize that is to identify oneself. But we keep changing the houses outside, mind gets bored with the shop, then reaches the temple. When the mind is bored with the books of the office, then they search the Gita, Ramayana and Bible. But the Gita, Ramayana, Bible are as much outside, as your office registers are outside you. There is not much difference, while reading the register you are having a dream, while reading the Bible, while reading the Gita, you are dreaming another. In both cases you are looking outside yourself. Went to the brothel, then dreaming one, visiting the temple, then dreaming another; Looking outside of yourself in both situations. Have to see yourself. And to see oneself is another matter, a matter of great revolution. Seeing yourself means that I clear the sight from the scene..."
In the end: "If you move in the right direction, you will find that death is a time of joy, because on that day you will be able to be alone completely, be yourself. And if you keep going in the wrong direction, then you will know that death is the biggest panic, worry and restlessness, because in life we were always together, never to be alone and now death alone. If death forces you alone, then it will remain death and if you go alone to welcome death, then death also becomes salvation. Today it will say this much. Thank you. Have heard my words with so much love, tomorrow morning I will discuss anything to ask about it. (Reference to morning talk, which is missing for now.) And for three days, I will have some thoughts on how we can be alone and know ourselves."
ch.2: talk on second day. Starts by "The power of one's self is the truth, the same indeterminate ground that can be experienced. Let me say a few things in that regard."
"This life is meaningless, which we know as life. This life is so meaningless, so painful and so sad that we do not know that life, which is real life. We spend life almost in the shadows. Yesterday I told you, one who spends life in the world outside, is deprived of real life. (It seems reference to ch.1.) The direction of real life is somewhere within. Somewhere at the center of life in that extreme state of life. Whether we all have a center or not, whether we all have a center or not. Or that we are only the perimeter? There is no circumference that has no center, no middle point. But what we know as life is life of periphery, of life, of earning, of running, of fame, of prestige, of wealth, of positions; This is the life of the whole periphery, but where is the center? The center is our power, and the periphery changes daily, not today it will dissolve tomorrow, a moment will break, but the center which is constantly within us is with us. I told you that yesterday. Everyone is constantly with one entity, knowing that power, getting acquainted with that power, no person is available to real life without entering into that power. In the absence of that, we are almost dead. In our absence, we are almost dead. We are nominal living. This life is not a life, it is not a life situation. I am, it is necessary to take this realization first, I spoke to you on this yesterday. (Reference to ch.1) It is necessary to enter into who I am, I will talk to you today on this."
ch.3: q/a. (One of questions is about peace and as it seems it is related with ch.3 and 4 of Aankhon Dekhi Sanch (आंखों देखी सांच). Jagdish hints that it is talk from Poona and osho.com, library + audio, put it to Aankhon's talks in Poona. And there is already other talk with q/a given on next day. All starts converged.)
ch.5: at the end: "Finally I tell you that those who run away from death, they reach death. Those who accept death and wake up reach salvation. Those who run away from lack, they enter into the biggest lack, and those who accept the lack reach the ultimate, they reach the divine. Go to zero, accept the absence and see that it comes full. God does this."
ch.7: "I would like to request you this morning..."
--DhyanAntar 04:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Letter written on 13 Apr 1966 (2) confirmes 14-17 Apr 1966 Bombay talks.--DhyanAntar 05:16, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
