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Aside from the above objection to Jun 12 in Pune, the case for Apr 16 in Birla's place is rather thinner, resting mainly on the attractiveness of having talks run in a series at the same venue. Which could also just as easily be a copy-paste error. Will go with Pune for now, as the need for at least one talk in Pune outweighs the apparent conflict. -- doofus-9 06:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Aside from the above objection to Jun 12 in Pune, the case for Apr 16 in Birla's place is rather thinner, resting mainly on the attractiveness of having talks run in a series at the same venue. Which could also just as easily be a copy-paste error. Will go with Pune for now, as the need for at least one talk in Pune outweighs the apparent conflict. -- doofus-9 06:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
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Extracts from Shailendra's PDF:
ch.1: first talk of 4-day session. In the end: "If you move in the right direction, you will find that death is a time of joy, because on that day you will be able to be alone completely, be yourself. And if you keep going in the wrong direction, then you will know that death is the biggest panic, worry and restlessness, because in life we ​​were always together, never to be alone and now death alone. If death forces you alone, then it will remain death and if you go alone to welcome death, then death also becomes salvation. Today it will say this much. Thank you. Have heard my words with so much love, tomorrow morning I will discuss anything to ask about it. And for three days, I will have some thoughts on how we can be alone and know ourselves."
ch.2: starts by "The power of one's self is the truth, the same indeterminate ground that can be experienced. Let me say a few things in that regard."
:"This life is meaningless, which we know as life. This life is so meaningless, so painful and so sad that we do not know that life, which is real life. We spend life almost in the shadows. Yesterday I told you, one who spends life in the world outside, is deprived of real life. The direction of real life is somewhere within. Somewhere at the center of life in that extreme state of life. Whether we all have a center or not, whether we all have a center or not. Or that we are only the perimeter? There is no circumference that has no center, no middle point. But what we know as life is life of periphery, of life, of earning, of running, of fame, of prestige, of wealth, of positions; This is the life of the whole periphery, but where is the center? The center is our power, and the periphery changes daily, not today it will dissolve tomorrow, a moment will break, but the center which is constantly within us is with us. I told you that yesterday. Everyone is constantly with one entity, knowing that power, getting acquainted with that power, no person is available to real life without entering into that power. In the absence of that, we are almost dead. In our absence, we are almost dead. We are nominal living. This life is not a life, it is not a life situation. I am, it is necessary to take this realization first, I spoke to you on this yesterday. It is necessary to enter into who I am, I will talk to you today on this."
ch.3: q/a.
ch.5: at the end: "Finally I tell you that those who run away from death, they reach death. Those who accept death and wake up reach salvation. Those who run away from lack, they enter into the biggest lack, and those who accept the lack reach the ultimate, they reach the divine. Go to zero, accept the absence and see that it comes full. God does this."
ch.7: "I would like to request you this morning..."

Revision as of 12:10, 29 November 2020

No trace of a published book could be found, nor time frame for the discourses, aside from the mention of Pune and Mumbai.

An interesting aspect of this series might be a theme implied by the word "Satta," meaning power. It is not a word Osho uses much, likely because of its susceptibility to corruption. And "Swayam Ki Satta," roughly personal power, one's own power, the power of one's self, well, it's unusual. But as "usual," he goes for it to the hilt; the title of the second discourse means, roughly, "Swayam Ki Satta is the only truth." -- Sarlo (talk) 00:20, 15 August 2014 (PDT)


प्रवचन (TOC):
1. स्वयं की सत्ता का बोध
2. स्वयं की सत्ता ही सत्य है
3. सीखे हुए ज्ञान से मुक्ति
4. छोड़ें दौड़ और देखें
5. जागो और देखो
6. भार क्या है?
7. पूछें--मैं कौन हूं?

Dates and Places info rec'd from Jagdish, images right. While it's mainly a boon, there is the unfortunate conflict between the two versions re talk #3. Still, hard to complain. Six out of seven ain't bad, and as a bonus, a new but completely infoless eighth talk that no one has ever heard of before. We can file it in . Collating the two versions:

1. Apr 14 1966 pm Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
2. Apr 15 1966 pm Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
3. Jun 12 1966 pm MES College, Poona (Q&A, theme incl Education)
or Apr 16 1966 pm Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
4. Sep 17 1966 am Sunderbai Hall, Bombay
5. Sep 18 1966 am Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay
6. Sep 19 1966 am Vile Parle, Bombay
7. Sep 20 1966 am Khar, Bombay
8. unknown date um unknown location, unknown city

About poor ch 3, there is good reason to go with the talk in Pune, since the blurb for the series mentions talks "given by Osho in Pune and Mumbai on various aspects of life", and this would be the only one to hold up the Pune end of that deal, possibly excepting even poorer ch 8, about which nothing can be said except, "Good luck!"

It must be said that there is also a good reason not to go with Jun 12 pm in Pune, and that is that there is already another talk at that precise time, Aankhon Dekhi Sanch ~ 05, also in Pune. But there are ways around this: minor errors, two evening dates, etc. At least both talks are in Pune. And Swayam #3's venue MES College is on Mangaldas Rd, not far from Koregaon Park. A sign!

Aside from the above objection to Jun 12 in Pune, the case for Apr 16 in Birla's place is rather thinner, resting mainly on the attractiveness of having talks run in a series at the same venue. Which could also just as easily be a copy-paste error. Will go with Pune for now, as the need for at least one talk in Pune outweighs the apparent conflict. -- doofus-9 06:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)


Extracts from Shailendra's PDF:

ch.1: first talk of 4-day session. In the end: "If you move in the right direction, you will find that death is a time of joy, because on that day you will be able to be alone completely, be yourself. And if you keep going in the wrong direction, then you will know that death is the biggest panic, worry and restlessness, because in life we ​​were always together, never to be alone and now death alone. If death forces you alone, then it will remain death and if you go alone to welcome death, then death also becomes salvation. Today it will say this much. Thank you. Have heard my words with so much love, tomorrow morning I will discuss anything to ask about it. And for three days, I will have some thoughts on how we can be alone and know ourselves."

ch.2: starts by "The power of one's self is the truth, the same indeterminate ground that can be experienced. Let me say a few things in that regard."

"This life is meaningless, which we know as life. This life is so meaningless, so painful and so sad that we do not know that life, which is real life. We spend life almost in the shadows. Yesterday I told you, one who spends life in the world outside, is deprived of real life. The direction of real life is somewhere within. Somewhere at the center of life in that extreme state of life. Whether we all have a center or not, whether we all have a center or not. Or that we are only the perimeter? There is no circumference that has no center, no middle point. But what we know as life is life of periphery, of life, of earning, of running, of fame, of prestige, of wealth, of positions; This is the life of the whole periphery, but where is the center? The center is our power, and the periphery changes daily, not today it will dissolve tomorrow, a moment will break, but the center which is constantly within us is with us. I told you that yesterday. Everyone is constantly with one entity, knowing that power, getting acquainted with that power, no person is available to real life without entering into that power. In the absence of that, we are almost dead. In our absence, we are almost dead. We are nominal living. This life is not a life, it is not a life situation. I am, it is necessary to take this realization first, I spoke to you on this yesterday. It is necessary to enter into who I am, I will talk to you today on this."

ch.3: q/a.

ch.5: at the end: "Finally I tell you that those who run away from death, they reach death. Those who accept death and wake up reach salvation. Those who run away from lack, they enter into the biggest lack, and those who accept the lack reach the ultimate, they reach the divine. Go to zero, accept the absence and see that it comes full. God does this."

ch.7: "I would like to request you this morning..."